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  • the ones under 18 should be considered child

    27 39.71%
  • the ones under 14 should be considered child

    11 16.18%
  • the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child

    7 10.29%
  • the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too

    4 5.88%
  • the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child

    7 10.29%
  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

    1 1.47%
  • they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex

    11 16.18%
  • it depends on individual differences

    14 20.59%
  • l dont care

    2 2.94%
  • others

    14 20.59%
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Thread: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Just like with the gestational limits on abortion, there cannot be a perfect answer. We all understand that some people become mature and responsible at 13, and some - well, never. Whatever is the current cultural consensus if fine with me.

    But the current American laws regarding the matter are not fine at all. How come a person is trusted to make super-serious decisions like joining the military (risk killing and being killed!), and to vote, and to marry, etc by 18, but cannot smoke or drink until 21? Having a glass of wine requires more maturity than combat duty?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You mistake me, but I knew that was going to happen.

    I didn't say it was wise to have sex at 16, let alone with an older man.

    However I did say that once a person is post-adolescent, they are no longer a child strictly speaking... and I stand by that. There is a WORLD of difference between a 10yo and a 15yo in terms of sexuality. I don't think making someone a "Sexual predator" for life for having sex with a willing 15yo that is sexually mature is reasonable. Contrariwise I think any adult that abuses a pre-adolescent should be executed.

    There is no "magic number" in terms of age where we suddenly become capable of making good decisions about sex... people in their 20s and 30s (and yes even older) pretty regularly make bad decisions about sex.

    WE have to draw the line somewhere I suppose... but we ought to consider that since maturity is a gradual process, maybe there ought to be some graduated levels of legal maturity as well. In a sense we already do this.... you can marry and contract at 18, but you can't drink or buy a handgun until you're 21, for instance.

    I'm just suggesting putting some thought into this instead of knee-jerk reactions. The idea of an extended childhood lasting until one is 18 or 21 is a relatively recent societal phenomenon... in ancient times a 14yo was considered an adult in many ways, albeit generally under the guidance and mentoring of a mature adult (parent, master-apprentice, or military officers, etc) until he was considerably older.

    In a lot of ways I think our children are still "children" at 18 because we don't require them to be more responsible and mature, because we LET them continue to be dependent children and act irresponsibly well past the point where they should be operating in a more-or-less adult fashion.
    Also, I have to add. If they DON'T want to be labelled as a sexual predator, then DON'T have sex with underage people. It's very simple.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can agree with you about going by age differences but not parental consent. There are some really crappy parents out there. I don't agree with giving them the authority to say it is okay for their child to be married.

    That could have other unintended consequences such as arranged marriages, etc.
    That too varies by state law: Teen Marriage License Laws, Minors Requirements, by State
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Just like with the gestational limits on abortion, there cannot be a perfect answer. We all understand that some people become mature and responsible at 13, and some - well, never. Whatever is the current cultural consensus if fine with me.

    But the current American laws regarding the matter are not fine at all. How come a person is trusted to make super-serious decisions like joining the military (risk killing and being killed!), and to vote, and to marry, etc by 18, but cannot smoke or drink until 21? Having a glass of wine requires more maturity than combat duty?
    I have YET to meet a 13-year-old who is responsible enough to be married and raise a family. They might be mature "for their age." If they are out there, they are the exception and not the rule.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    I like 16 as a dividing line.

    If they can drive a car legally, which means they can kill me or my family, they should be considered adults.

    That being said, I can live with 18 as the age too.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I know that. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I like 16 as a dividing line.

    If they can drive a car legally, which means they can kill me or my family, they should be considered adults.

    That being said, I can live with 18 as the age too.
    At least 30% of all traffic accidents are caused by teen drivers, who only make up about 10% of all drivers. Now those are some sobering statistics.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know that. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
    OK. But neither do I have to agree with you.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Also, I have to add. If they DON'T want to be labelled as a sexual predator, then DON'T have sex with underage people. It's very simple.



    So you'd favor severe punishment for a 16yo girl having sex with a willing 15yo boy, since she's of legal age in my state and he isn't? She should be charged with statutory rape and be a "convicted sex offender" for life?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So you'd favor severe punishment for a 16yo girl having sex with a willing 15yo boy, since she's of legal age in my state and he isn't? She should be charged with statutory rape and be a "convicted sex offender" for life?
    No, I said I would support age gap restrictions as well. However for marriage, I think it should be 18, unless there some kind of extenuating circumstances.

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