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  • the ones under 18 should be considered child

    27 39.71%
  • the ones under 14 should be considered child

    11 16.18%
  • the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child

    7 10.29%
  • the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too

    4 5.88%
  • the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child

    7 10.29%
  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

    1 1.47%
  • they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex

    11 16.18%
  • it depends on individual differences

    14 20.59%
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Thread: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You said earlier that you didn't care if the penalties were the same, and have indicated that you consider them effectively the same thing, so what am I supposed to think you mean??

    Again, adult->16yo w/consent is bad, but not remotely in the same class as adult raping 10yo.
    Let me just reiterate again that I don't think any teens involved in a sexual relationship together should ever be prosecuted. Whenever I say that, I am always referring to an older person.

    Also, when I said that I don't really care if they get the same punishment, I mean that since this is the current law, that is just how it is. If they willfully break it, then I can't feel sorry for them. Not saying that it is necessarily "fair" though, rather just don't do that and there won't be a problem type of thing.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    I think 18 is a good age to consider someone an adult, but they should get the remainder of their rights at that age (i.e. lower the drinking age to 18).

    I think it's dangerous to have a subjective adulthood age, because this leaves children open to manipulation and confinement by parents who might be a little bit "off."

    I also think it's a good idea to have a tiered process of responsibility, which we do have, but I think we should have more of it. Children get several privileges at the age of 16. The one we all think of is driving, but in some states, there's another one that I think is even more important and should be universal: they, along with their parents, must consent in order for a medical procedure to be performed.

    This recognizes that while they might still need the barrier of parental safety checking sometimes, they are developing the ability to make sound decisions based on reason, and they should be in agreement with things that are done to their body.

    In terms of statutory rape laws, I think this needs to be dealt with individually. There are some really sad cases where an 18-year-old and a 15/16-year-old are dating and the older one gets charged or convicted of statutory rape. That's just crazy.

    A 15/16 year old is not a child, and an 18-year-old is within their peer group. There might be slight differences between them, but someone 2 or 3 years older is certainly not an inherent intellectual or physical threat, the way it can be when a much older person has sex with a teen, or when an adult rapes a child.

    On the other hand, figuring out exactly where the line is can be difficult, partly because people develop at different rates both mentally and physically, and partly because the feelings of the younger person are really the most pertinent issue.

    These aren't cases where we can simply follow the letter of the law, because there's too much room for pinning perfectly decent people with a sex crime that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. These cases need to be handled on an individual basis.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Ok, but I was simply making a point of my own.

    Basically, I'm arguing my point that these things should be handled on a case-by-case manner...nothing more nothing less.

    Painting with a broad brush will make the picture less detailed...that is all I am saying in this manner.
    How would you go about determining a person's maturity first of all, what they are emotionally and mentally ready to handle, especially a teenager of 16. How do you determine the coping skills of a 16-year-old girl for example? How would you go about determining whether she is emotionally and mentally "mature"? This is where it gets complicated. Who would make such determinations? Psychiatrists? Who and how?

    Some men have also complained that the teen girl manipulates them. On other threads, I have read men complain about "false rape" accusations. Well, I wonder how many of these circumstances stem from the immaturity of teen girls? Perhaps they get angry at their older male "lover" and turn on him? Well, common sense would tell me that these girls are NOT emotionally mature enough for such relationships. That could be half the reason some of those kinds of things happen. Well, I'm sure people will say if there wasn't a law against it that it would also not happen, but that does not take away from the fact that the girl would do a thing like that to begin with because she is emotionally immature.

    Of course, this is just an example. I am not saying that every or even most girls would do this, but it certainly does happen and is just something to think about in regards to emotional immaturity.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think 18 is a good age to consider someone an adult, but they should get the remainder of their rights at that age (i.e. lower the drinking age to 18).

    I think it's dangerous to have a subjective adulthood age, because this leaves children open to manipulation and confinement by parents who might be a little bit "off."

    I also think it's a good idea to have a tiered process of responsibility, which we do have, but I think we should have more of it. Children get several privileges at the age of 16. The one we all think of is driving, but in some states, there's another one that I think is even more important and should be universal: they, along with their parents, must consent in order for a medical procedure to be performed.

    This recognizes that while they might still need the barrier of parental safety checking sometimes, they are developing the ability to make sound decisions based on reason, and they should be in agreement with things that are done to their body.

    In terms of statutory rape laws, I think this needs to be dealt with individually. There are some really sad cases where an 18-year-old and a 15/16-year-old are dating and the older one gets charged or convicted of statutory rape. That's just crazy.

    A 15/16 year old is not a child, and an 18-year-old is within their peer group. There might be slight differences between them, but someone 2 or 3 years older is certainly not an inherent intellectual or physical threat, the way it can be when a much older person has sex with a teen, or when an adult rapes a child.

    On the other hand, figuring out exactly where the line is can be difficult, partly because people develop at different rates both mentally and physically, and partly because the feelings of the younger person are really the most pertinent issue.

    These aren't cases where we can simply follow the letter of the law, because there's too much room for pinning perfectly decent people with a sex crime that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. These cases need to be handled on an individual basis.
    I can agree with that.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    One word: Why.
    A few reasons.

    Although not always the case, at least my assumption is in sexual situations, the male is typically the aggressor. The simple physiology dictates males must be the agreesor or at a minimum aroused to become the aggressor.

    Sexual activities have consequences on numerous levels, sometimes unwanted consequences. It is the female who is impacted more profoundly by these consequences than the male. Again, on numerous levels.

    Due to the anatomical differences between males and females, sexual activity for young girls engaging in said activies for the first time involves some level of physical injury and pain. This however is not the case for males.

    Depending on the age of the of girl, in some cases sexual injury can be so severe that it can leave her unable to convince children later in life. Again, not the case with boys. I happen to know a couple where the wife confided in me that she was involved with an older man as a child and the relationship left her unable to have children with the man who is now her husband.

    Societal stigma. Girls who are sexually active are looked at differently than boys who are sexually active. When adding the adult partner to the equation and I just think his maturity should have caused him to be sensitive to that fact and caused him to want to protect his young victim from that.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    A few reasons.

    Although not always the case, at least my assumption is in sexual situations, the male is typically the aggressor. The simple physiology dictates males must the agreesor or at a minimum aroused to become the aggressor.

    Sexual activities have consequences on numerous levels, sometimes unwanted consequences. It is the female who in impacted more profoundly by these consequences than the male. Again, on numerous levels.

    Due to the anatomical differences between males and females, sexual activity for young girls engaging in said activies for the first time involves some level of physical injury and pain. This however is not the case for males.

    Depending on the age of the of girl, in some cases sexual injury can be so severe that it can leave her unable to convince children later in life. Again, not the case with boys. I happen to know a couple where the wife confided in me that she was involved with an older man as a child and the relationship left her unable to have children with the man who is now her husband.

    Societal stigma. Girls who are sexually active are looked at differently than boys who are sexually active. When adding the adult partner to the equation and I just think his maturity should have caused him to be sensitive to that fact and caused him to want to protect his young victim from that.

    A lot of that just isn't true anymore. Girls in their teens are as likely to be sexually "aggressive" (interesting word choice that) as boys.

    Girls may get pregnant yes... but THEY choose whether to abort or keep, and THEY choose whether to hold the male financially accountable for the next 18 years, so I think that kinda balances out.

    Both boys and girls may get STDs, so no diff there.

    Both boys and girls can be emotionally abused by more mature sex partners, so no diff there.


    I think this is just left-over gender bias.... I thought we supposedly had this equality-of-the-sexes thing going on now right?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    21, except for those in military service.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Due to the anatomical differences between males and females, sexual activity for young girls engaging in said activies for the first time involves some level of physical injury and pain. This however is not the case for males.
    Goshin addressed most of this well, but I would just to point something out...

    First of all, that is not true for the vast majority of women. Most women can have a pretty much painless first experience, provided their partner actually takes their time. The hymen does not need to be "torn," which is just part of our violent sexual lexicon. It can very easily be stretched to allow penetration without force, in most cases. It just requires a little patience and a lot of foreplay the first couple times.

    There are going to be exceptions to that, but most women can have painless sexual debuts. Many women don't even have hymens by the time they're teenagers (it can be stretched through various activities, including vigorous exercise).

    Second, sex is not always painless for men. Sex can be painful for a variety of different reason, many of which are ALSO related to not enough patience and foreplay.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    I don't like the idea of basing 'adulthood' on age. It doesn't account for the fact that different people mature at different rates. Some people in their 30s are less mature and able to handle being an 'adult' than some people are at 15. A person should be considered an adult when they are mature enough to handle the privileges and responsibilities that come with adulthood.

    That being said, that kind of thing is probably unrealistic to expect. It would be difficult to judge maturity that way, and age is much easier.

    Any age you pick past puberty is going to be fairly arbitrary, so I think 18 should be the cutoff for most things, including alcohol, driving, and gun ownership.

    As far as sex goes, I think the unrestricted age of consent should be 18, but any age should be legal as long as your partner is within a couple years of your age.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A lot of that just isn't true anymore. Girls in their teens are as likely to be sexually "aggressive" (interesting word choice that) as boys.

    Girls may get pregnant yes... but THEY choose whether to abort or keep, and THEY choose whether to hold the male financially accountable for the next 18 years, so I think that kinda balances out.

    Both boys and girls may get STDs, so no diff there.

    Both boys and girls can be emotionally abused by more mature sex partners, so no diff there.


    I think this is just left-over gender bias.... I thought we supposedly had this equality-of-the-sexes thing going on now right?
    I'm not of the understanding that abortion is a 'no big deal' procedure. It's on par with outpatient surgery. Secondly, in many cases it leaves the lady with years if not a lifetime of emotional pain. It sometimes leaves the lady sterile.

    Yes, both males and females can and do contract stds but in some cases even if the std is present, males are less likely to be infected as females due simply to anatomical differences. For example, there is a push right now in Africa for all males to become circumcised because it lowers their risk of contracting various sexually communicable infections including HIV. The reason for this is anatomically, areas of the body that can trap bacteria/virus in a warm and moist environment are more likely to be an incubator for microbes to infect to body. Agreeably both males and females are at risk but with females there's no comparison.

    I'm all for progress and equal opportunity but saying we as a society should disregard all special defenses of ladies due to their unique vulnerabilities is in my humble opinion calloused and extreme.
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