the ones under 18 should be considered child
the ones under 14 should be considered child
the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child
the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too
the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child
they are not child if they have physical maturity
they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex
it depends on individual differences
l dont care
Basically, I'm arguing my point that these things should be handled on a case-by-case manner...nothing more nothing less.
Painting with a broad brush will make the picture less detailed...that is all I am saying in this manner.
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This is why I like that most jurisdictions have +/- exceptions to the hard age of consent laws. Teenagers should not be going to jail for having sex with each other, but adults should not be able to take advantage of teens, due to the imbalance of power in any such relationship.
Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.
I think sexual relations should ideally be just between people married to each other in an idealistic world where married actually means till death do us part. However realistically...
I support the idea that people should be at least graduated from high school. I also support the newer Jack and Jill compromise legislation where its not statutory rape if the couple is close in age; I think within 5 years of the same age is what I saw. A 40 year of and a 17 year of is sick. A 16 year old and a 19 year old isn't IMHO.
I also am more willing to allow for cougar relationships than I would be for sugar daddy relationships. I know few people would agree in today's PC world that says women are exactly the same as men, but I tend to see young girls in relationships with older men as victims being exploited but if a younger male is in a relationship with an older lady I tend to not see him as a victim being exploited. Just me I suppose.
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Again, adult->16yo w/consent is bad, but not remotely in the same class as adult raping 10yo.
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Originally Posted by Goshin
You mistake me, but I knew that was going to happen.
I didn't say it was wise to have sex at 16, let alone with an older man.
However I did say that once a person is post-adolescent, they are no longer a child strictly speaking... and I stand by that. There is a WORLD of difference between a 10yo and a 15yo in terms of sexuality. I don't think making someone a "Sexual predator" for life for having sex with a willing 15yo that is sexually mature is reasonable. Contrariwise I think any adult that abuses a pre-adolescent should be executed.
There is no "magic number" in terms of age where we suddenly become capable of making good decisions about sex... people in their 20s and 30s (and yes even older) pretty regularly make bad decisions about sex.
WE have to draw the line somewhere I suppose... but we ought to consider that since maturity is a gradual process, maybe there ought to be some graduated levels of legal maturity as well. In a sense we already do this.... you can marry and contract at 18, but you can't drink or buy a handgun until you're 21, for instance.
I'm just suggesting putting some thought into this instead of knee-jerk reactions. The idea of an extended childhood lasting until one is 18 or 21 is a relatively recent societal phenomenon... in ancient times a 14yo was considered an adult in many ways, albeit generally under the guidance and mentoring of a mature adult (parent, master-apprentice, or military officers, etc) until he was considerably older.
In a lot of ways I think our children are still "children" at 18 because we don't require them to be more responsible and mature, because we LET them continue to be dependent children and act irresponsibly well past the point where they should be operating in a more-or-less adult fashion.
The other flaw in your premise is equating both pedophilia and poly marriage as both perversions. Almost all perversions are opinion based. There really isn't much basis other than ick factor. Pedophilia is as close as it comes to being a non-opinion based "perversion". With pedophilia (and I refer to it in the common parlance which would include the 21 yo with the 16 yo even though that is technically ephbophilia) the issue is really maturity and whether or not the individual is able to give an informed mature consent. However, we've gotten so entangled in the legal age, that we disregard the maturity of the individual and automatically call the 21yo a pervert.
Finally, there is a minor flaw in at least your post if not your premise as a whole and that is equating sex with marriage. You said:
3 or more people can have sex together regardless of whether polygamy or polyandry or any other poly is legal or not, short of laws that make sex outside of marriage illegal. Sex and marriage are not dependent upon each other, even though they often occur together.if 3 or more adults over 18 can have sex together or marry if polygamy is legalized ,...