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  • the ones under 18 should be considered child

    27 39.71%
  • the ones under 14 should be considered child

    11 16.18%
  • the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child

    7 10.29%
  • the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too

    4 5.88%
  • the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child

    7 10.29%
  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

    1 1.47%
  • they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex

    11 16.18%
  • it depends on individual differences

    14 20.59%
  • l dont care

    2 2.94%
  • others

    14 20.59%
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Thread: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So you'd favor severe punishment for a 16yo girl having sex with a willing 15yo boy, since she's of legal age in my state and he isn't? She should be charged with statutory rape and be a "convicted sex offender" for life?
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Here it is Chris
    That is not a statement. That was a question. I didn't see anyone agree. If you can find someone who says yes I think 16 year olds should be labelled as sex offenders for having sex with 15 year olds, then you might have something.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Here it is Chris
    she feels so emotional about this issue as anyone can see.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not a statement. That was a question. I didn't see anyone agree. If you can find someone who says yes I think 16 year olds should be labelled as sex offenders for having sex with 15 year olds, then you might have something.
    Ok, but I was simply making a point of my own.

    Basically, I'm arguing my point that these things should be handled on a case-by-case manner...nothing more nothing less.

    Painting with a broad brush will make the picture less detailed...that is all I am saying in this manner.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    This is why I like that most jurisdictions have +/- exceptions to the hard age of consent laws. Teenagers should not be going to jail for having sex with each other, but adults should not be able to take advantage of teens, due to the imbalance of power in any such relationship.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    I think sexual relations should ideally be just between people married to each other in an idealistic world where married actually means till death do us part. However realistically...

    I support the idea that people should be at least graduated from high school. I also support the newer Jack and Jill compromise legislation where its not statutory rape if the couple is close in age; I think within 5 years of the same age is what I saw. A 40 year of and a 17 year of is sick. A 16 year old and a 19 year old isn't IMHO.

    I also am more willing to allow for cougar relationships than I would be for sugar daddy relationships. I know few people would agree in today's PC world that says women are exactly the same as men, but I tend to see young girls in relationships with older men as victims being exploited but if a younger male is in a relationship with an older lady I tend to not see him as a victim being exploited. Just me I suppose.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There's nothing wrong with teens sexually experimenting with one another. I have no problem with that. My problem is when adults are wanting sexual relationships with teens. Most of the time, they DON'T want to marry them! LOL! They want them for ONE reason and one reason only. YOU know what that reason is I'm quite sure.

    They are NOT the same penalties. I already said that. There are different penalties according to ages of victims and perpetrators. Here, I picked this one from Connecticut because it came up first when I googled. Here are the laws:

    Connecticut Law About Statutory Rape
    You said earlier that you didn't care if the penalties were the same, and have indicated that you consider them effectively the same thing, so what am I supposed to think you mean??

    Again, adult->16yo w/consent is bad, but not remotely in the same class as adult raping 10yo.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I also am more willing to allow for cougar relationships than I would be for sugar daddy relationships. I know few people would agree in today's PC world that says women are exactly the same as men, but I tend to see young girls in relationships with older men as victims being exploited but if a younger male is in a relationship with an older lady I tend to not see him as a victim being exploited. Just me I suppose.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You said earlier that you didn't care if the penalties were the same, and have indicated that you consider them effectively the same thing, so what am I supposed to think you mean??

    Again, adult->16yo w/consent is bad, but not remotely in the same class as adult raping 10yo.
    Yes, but I said that in response to this quote. The part I bolded was what I was thinking about when I said that. There was no "upper limit" age mentioned in this quote. I just automatically went to thinking of an older person.


    Originally Posted by Goshin
    You mistake me, but I knew that was going to happen.

    I didn't say it was wise to have sex at 16, let alone with an older man.

    However I did say that once a person is post-adolescent, they are no longer a child strictly speaking... and I stand by that. There is a WORLD of difference between a 10yo and a 15yo in terms of sexuality. I don't think making someone a "Sexual predator" for life for having sex with a willing 15yo that is sexually mature is reasonable. Contrariwise I think any adult that abuses a pre-adolescent should be executed.

    There is no "magic number" in terms of age where we suddenly become capable of making good decisions about sex... people in their 20s and 30s (and yes even older) pretty regularly make bad decisions about sex.

    WE have to draw the line somewhere I suppose... but we ought to consider that since maturity is a gradual process, maybe there ought to be some graduated levels of legal maturity as well. In a sense we already do this.... you can marry and contract at 18, but you can't drink or buy a handgun until you're 21, for instance.

    I'm just suggesting putting some thought into this instead of knee-jerk reactions. The idea of an extended childhood lasting until one is 18 or 21 is a relatively recent societal phenomenon... in ancient times a 14yo was considered an adult in many ways, albeit generally under the guidance and mentoring of a mature adult (parent, master-apprentice, or military officers, etc) until he was considerably older.

    In a lot of ways I think our children are still "children" at 18 because we don't require them to be more responsible and mature, because we LET them continue to be dependent children and act irresponsibly well past the point where they should be operating in a more-or-less adult fashion.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    should a man age of 21 be charged with pedohilia and convicted of having sex with a child age of 14 15 0r 16 ?

    when should a person be considered adult ?

    my purpose in starting this thread is not to justify this action

    l just wonder why a person has to be accused of being a pedohilie although he is not sexually interested in little children

    many of the teenagers have the physical maturity to have sex and give birth although not all of them can be emotionally mature to marry and raise their babies.

    if 3 or more adults over 18 can have sex together or marry if polygamy is legalized , why is a person considered pervert pedohilie only because he had sex with a girl who is mature enough to menstruate ?

    if both of them are consent to have sex ,what is teh problem ?

    they dont seem more disturbing than polygamic lovers
    Your whole premise here is skewed. An individual is actually an adult when they reach a certain level of maturity. The problem is that that point covers a large range of age relatively speaking. There is simply no way to make a law that covers that range. So we select arbitrary age to put into the law. Since different grouping of people view where this "mature age" should be the legal age can vary from state to state (or the equivalent) and from country to country. Thus one area can say that a person is legally mature enough for sex at 16, and another sets the age at 21. The truth is that in both areas there are 16 year olds who are mature enough to have sex and 21 year olds who are not mature enough to have sex. In the end the law had nothing to do with the reality of an individual's maturity.

    The other flaw in your premise is equating both pedophilia and poly marriage as both perversions. Almost all perversions are opinion based. There really isn't much basis other than ick factor. Pedophilia is as close as it comes to being a non-opinion based "perversion". With pedophilia (and I refer to it in the common parlance which would include the 21 yo with the 16 yo even though that is technically ephbophilia) the issue is really maturity and whether or not the individual is able to give an informed mature consent. However, we've gotten so entangled in the legal age, that we disregard the maturity of the individual and automatically call the 21yo a pervert.

    Finally, there is a minor flaw in at least your post if not your premise as a whole and that is equating sex with marriage. You said:
    if 3 or more adults over 18 can have sex together or marry if polygamy is legalized ,...
    3 or more people can have sex together regardless of whether polygamy or polyandry or any other poly is legal or not, short of laws that make sex outside of marriage illegal. Sex and marriage are not dependent upon each other, even though they often occur together.

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