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  • the ones under 18 should be considered child

    27 39.71%
  • the ones under 14 should be considered child

    11 16.18%
  • the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child

    7 10.29%
  • the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too

    4 5.88%
  • the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child

    7 10.29%
  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

    1 1.47%
  • they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex

    11 16.18%
  • it depends on individual differences

    14 20.59%
  • l dont care

    2 2.94%
  • others

    14 20.59%
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Thread: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I mean seriously... one could say that a 20yo is just six years older than a 14yo so they should be treated the same???

    Um no... a LOT of maturing goes on between 14 and 20, just as a LOT of maturing goes on between 10 and 16.


    Raping a 10yo and having consensual sex with a 16yo just isn't the same thing, deserving of the same penalty... not even CLOSE.
    That depends on the person and the situation. Sometimes a 10-year-old might be more mature than a 16-year-old, but again we are talking generalities here, and if a line has to be drawn, I don't see why one would have a problem with the age of 18. Why do you object to that age?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I mean seriously... one could say that a 20yo is just six years older than a 14yo so they should be treated the same???

    Um no... a LOT of maturing goes on between 14 and 20, just as a LOT of maturing goes on between 10 and 16.


    Raping a 10yo and having consensual sex with a 16yo just isn't the same thing, deserving of the same penalty... not even CLOSE.
    Strictly opinion. There are many people who would say that a man should be able to control himself and not "knowingly" have a sexual relationship with a young teen. Of course, I have nothing against age-gap laws either.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, in reality the sentencing is different. They are split up. It is considered a MORE serious crime when one molests a child under 14 for example in a lot of states. I'll bet if you did a little more research into the statutory rape and child molestation laws in your state, you would see that they do split up the penalty phases.

    That wasn't my point. You appeared to be arguing that the two were the same and should face the same penalty.

    If that wasn't what you meant, you could certainly have communicated that a lot more clearly.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Exactly. These days there are teenage girls whose age is not easily determined. I've seen some of the girls my son goes to school with and some of them at 15 could have claimed to be 22 and I would have believed them.

    And some of them WILL and DO entice men in the 20s and even 30s and LIE about their age. Seen it....
    If it is proven that a girl lied about her age, then there should be no penalty. Most of the time, if you just have a simple conversation though, you would be able to determine that the person is young and inexperienced. That is usually a good clue.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That depends on the person and the situation. Sometimes a 10-year-old might be more mature than a 16-year-old, but again we are talking generalities here, and if a line has to be drawn, I don't see why one would have a problem with the age of 18. Why do you object to that age?

    Because it fails to take into account the real world. In the real world, a LOT of teens are sexually active by the time they are 16.

    Not saying they should be... just saying it should not be the same crime as raping a 10yo.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That wasn't my point. You appeared to be arguing that the two were the same and should face the same penalty.

    If that wasn't what you meant, you could certainly have communicated that a lot more clearly.
    I really don't care if they face the same penalty to be completely honest. There is absolutely no NEED to have sexual relationships with 16-year-olds anymore than there is with a 10-year-old.

    Why don't you tell me the benefits for the 16-year-old who has a sexual relationship with an adult? I can give at least a dozen reasons of how it is hurtful.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I really don't care if they face the same penalty to be completely honest. There is absolutely no NEED to have sexual relationships with 16-year-olds anymore than there is with a 10-year-old.

    Why don't you tell me the benefits for the 16-year-old who has a sexual relationship with an adult? I can give at least a dozen reasons of how it is hurtful.

    Again you mischaracterize my position. I NEVER said it was a good thing for a 16yo to have sex, let alone with an adult. IN fact I pretty clearly said it wasn't.

    What I said was it isn't the same as raping a 10yo and should not have the same dire consequences.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    should a man age of 21 be charged with pedohilia and convicted of having sex with a child age of 14 15 0r 16 ?

    when should a person be considered adult ?

    my purpose in starting this thread is not to justify this action

    l just wonder why a person has to be accused of being a pedohilie although he is not sexually interested in little children

    many of the teenagers have the physical maturity to have sex and give birth although not all of them can be emotionally mature to marry and raise their babies.

    if 3 or more adults over 18 can have sex together or marry if polygamy is legalized , why is a person considered pervert pedohilie only because he had sex with a girl who is mature enough to menstruate ?

    if both of them are consent to have sex ,what is teh problem ?

    they dont seem more disturbing than polygamic lovers
    Physical and emotional maturity is desirable, though some are not emotionally mature even after 21. I'm more uncomfortable at 16 than 18, but anywhere you draw a line there will be exceptions. So some reasoning with the limitation needs to be exercised as well.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Really, I'm surprised that you have taken this stance. And yes, you can compare it. A 16-year-old is only six years older than a 10 year old. How much life experience do you think they have acquired in that time? How much do you think a 16-year-old understands about actions and consequences?

    I wonder what you think about a 16-year-old being put into an adult prison system? What about a 16-year-old getting the death penalty? What is your opinion about a 40-year-old man having a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old girl?
    The age of consent in Oregon is 18. Here's a synopsis.

    What is the 2013 Age of Consent in Oregon?

    The Oregon legal Age of Consent for sexual contact is 18 years old. eleven states have set their age of consent at 18 years old, the highest legal age of consent in any state.

    Oregon has a 3-year close-in-age exception to the age of consent, so the perpetrator cannot be prosecited if he is less then 3 years older then the minor. Older perpetrators will be charged with a misdemeanor or a felony based on the age of the victim: Under 18 - Defined as Sexual Abuse 3 (Class A Misdemeanor), Under 16 - Defined as Rape 3 / Sodomy 3 (Class C Felony) , Under 14 - Defined as Rape 2 / Sodomy 2 (Class B Felony) and Under 12 - Defined as Rape 1 / Sodomy 1 (Class A Felony).

    Oregon Close-In-Age Exemption
    Oregon has a close-in-age exemption, also known as a "Romeo and Juliet law", to the legal age of consent. This provision allows partners who are close in age, or both under the Oregon age of consent, to engage in consensual sex without fear of prosecution under Oregon age of consent regulations. For more information, read about close-in-age exemptions.

    What is the Age of Consent?
    OR Legal Age of Consent, 2012 and 2013

    The Age of Consent is the age at which a person is deemed by Oregon law to be capable of consenting to, and engaging in, sexual acts. Anyone who engages in sexual activity of any type with a partner under the applicable Age of Consent is breaking the law and can be charged with crimes ranging from a misdemeanor to a felony (statutory rape) depending on the jurisdiction in which they are prosecuted. Oregon's specific laws on the Age of Consent can be found above.
    I totally agree with this, especially the 3 year close in age exception. To add some clarity as to the absolute limit (from another site):

    Additionally, Oregon has a 3 year rule defined under ORS 163.345. However, this does not apply to Rape 1, or Sodomy 1, effectively limiting the age to 12. However, a person can still be charged with Sexual Misconduct (Class C Misdemeanor) under ORS 163.445, if the victim was under 15 years old.

    so if you were 19 and the other party was 15 it would be considered a class b felony.
    How do you feel about this?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I mean seriously... one could say that a 20yo is just six years older than a 14yo so they should be treated the same???

    Um no... a LOT of maturing goes on between 14 and 20, just as a LOT of maturing goes on between 10 and 16.


    Raping a 10yo and having consensual sex with a 16yo just isn't the same thing, deserving of the same penalty... not even CLOSE.
    Modern statutory rape laws are just a way to legally empower women at the expense of men. Kind of like our draconian divorce laws and child support laws, which clearly favor the mother.

    American men, as usual, are just giant limp vaginas and do whatever women tell them to.

    There is nothing unnatural about a teenage girl being in love with a guy in his 20's. For most of human history, this was the norm. In fact, that's a woman's most beautiful age - women know this and men know this.

    Of COURSE there's a difference between thinking a 16 year old girl is hot, and thinking some little girl is hot. One is normal, and every guy does it, and the other is creepy and weird.

    The only problem with it is that it puts a higher value on young women, which goes against the interests of older women. Thus, like alimony and child support and the rest, laws are put in place to subvert the natural order of things.

    All the while, my limp dick American brothers continue to hold their wives purses at the Pottery Barn in hopes of getting some.

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