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  • the ones under 18 should be considered child

    27 39.71%
  • the ones under 14 should be considered child

    11 16.18%
  • the ones under 21 should be coınsidered child

    7 10.29%
  • the ones over 14 should be allowed to marry too

    4 5.88%
  • the ones under 14 or 15 shouldnt be allowed to have sex if they are child

    7 10.29%
  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

    1 1.47%
  • they need both emotional and physical maturity to have sex

    11 16.18%
  • it depends on individual differences

    14 20.59%
  • l dont care

    2 2.94%
  • others

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Thread: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Chris, why is it about age? Why is it about an arbitrary number and not some other criteria, like maturity? Is it just because it's easier to concretely determine the age and not the maturity level of people? If so, then what's the point of arguing about it, since the number is arbitrary to begin with?
    Read my post above. It completely explains why the age determination factor is NOT arbitrary. It is what is generally expected from people in certain age groups and protection of children and teens from predatory adults. Nothing arbitrary about it.

    What is arbitrary is when we have different ages, such as 21 for drinking, 16 for driving, 18 for fighting in a war. It should be the same age when you get your adult privileges. (not that fighting in a war is a "privilege" in all cases, but you get the gist).

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree that the circumstances MAY be different in some situations. In other situations, not so much. It all depends. We take what is generally expected as a maturity level of teens, and we then apply that to what we think they are capable of understanding. Understanding doesn't just mean that someone understands that a penis is going into their vagina either. There are a whole HOST of issues, emotional, mental, etc., etc., etc.

    The line is not an arbitrary one but one based on what is expected of one at a certain age. A responsible intimate sexual relationship is generally not expected from a 16-year-old. Also, a 16-year-old can be JUST as easily manipulated as a 10-year-old in MANY instances because they really haven't had the time or experience to know too much yet.

    Now, I'm not going to disagree that the punishment may be harsh and seem unfair, but it is what it is. Adults who break the law can expect to pay some consequences. They are adults, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why they cannot say no and bypass that 16-year-old and move onto an 18-year-old who is of legal age.

    16 is the age of consent in my state.


    And I'm sorry, but you just cannot equate the sexual molestation of a 10yo with someone having a consensual sexual relationship with a 16yo, it is comparing apples and nukes.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Part of the point I was trying to make is that it may not always be the "child" who cannot consent. For example:

    I had a classmate named Tom who had an older brother (David) that was developmentally challenged. Tom was dating a young lady named Anne during our junior year in high school (age 17). Anne through that Tom had cheated on her with another girl. As a very close and long-term friend of Tom and David's family, Anne would sometimes stay with David when nobody else was home. One day, Anne "seduced" David, and took pictures of the act, in order to "avenge" Tom's supposed cheating. In this case it was the 21 year old MALE who was not capable of consent, not the 16 year old girl.

    Pedophilia is a mental health issue. What you seem to be concerned about is more a matter of consent than age, as I believe it should be as well. Continuing to use the word pedophilia is going to at best confuse the issue, and at worst make people think you don't know what you're talking about.
    l was not a child when l was 15

    l think l am clear enough..
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think 18 is too young, I think it should be increased to 21.

    You'll turn hundreds of thousands of people into convicted sex offenders that way.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree that the circumstances MAY be different in some situations. In other situations, not so much. It all depends. We take what is generally expected as a maturity level of teens, and we then apply that to what we think they are capable of understanding. Understanding doesn't just mean that someone understands that a penis is going into their vagina either. There are a whole HOST of issues, emotional, mental, etc., etc., etc.

    The line is not an arbitrary one but one based on what is expected of one at a certain age. A responsible intimate sexual relationship is generally not expected from a 16-year-old. Also, a 16-year-old can be JUST as easily manipulated as a 10-year-old in MANY instances because they really haven't had the time or experience to know too much yet.

    Now, I'm not going to disagree that the punishment may be harsh and seem unfair, but it is what it is. Adults who break the law can expect to pay some consequences. They are adults, and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why they cannot say no and bypass that 16-year-old and move onto an 18-year-old who is of legal age.
    in my opinion you seem much more emotional about this issue............
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You'll turn hundreds of thousands of people into convicted sex offenders that way.
    I don't think they should be old enough to have consensual sex at that age. 21 should be the new "are you 18?" question.
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You'll turn hundreds of thousands of people into convicted sex offenders that way.
    in my opinion he meant they just cant have sex ..
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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    16 is the age of consent in my state.


    And I'm sorry, but you just cannot equate the sexual molestation of a 10yo with someone having a consensual sexual relationship with a 16yo, it is comparing apples and nukes.
    Really, I'm surprised that you have taken this stance. And yes, you can compare it. A 16-year-old is only six years older than a 10 year old. How much life experience do you think they have acquired in that time? How much do you think a 16-year-old understands about actions and consequences?

    I wonder what you think about a 16-year-old being put into an adult prison system? What about a 16-year-old getting the death penalty? What is your opinion about a 40-year-old man having a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old girl?

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It is what is generally expected from people in certain age groups and protection of children and teens from predatory adults. Nothing arbitrary about it.
    What we expect from people of a certain age? Honestly, if that's the criteria then I would suggest the Age of Majority in America needs to be about Thirty; because we don't actually EXPECT anything out of anyone under that age in this country. We find more excuses for why the 16, 18, 21, 25, and older crowds shouldn't be held responsible for the decisions they've made and/or actually taking care of themselves. It's ridiculous.

    Oh, and on the "protecting children and teens from predatory adults" front..... What's your plan for protecting adults from the predatory teenagers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What is arbitrary is when we have different ages, such as 21 for drinking, 16 for driving, 18 for fighting in a war. It should be the same age when you get your adult privileges. (not that fighting in a war is a "privilege" in all cases, but you get the gist).
    I can actually agree with that idea, so long as we are willing to set it all at the HIGHEST standard, not the lowest. I'd suggest about 25 years old, considering the teens and twenty-somethings that I see around me a good deal of the time.

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    Re: at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Really, I'm surprised that you have taken this stance. And yes, you can compare it. A 16-year-old is only six years older than a 10 year old. How much life experience do you think they have acquired in that time? How much do you think a 16-year-old understands about actions and consequences?

    I wonder what you think about a 16-year-old being put into an adult prison system? What about a 16-year-old getting the death penalty? What is your opinion about a 40-year-old man having a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old girl?
    many of them can understand ...................

    at least they know how to have sex

    children cant do it...
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