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    What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    A vague question, so let me explain what each possible answer means in fullest detail:

    1. "My political ideology/philosophy is a direct mirror of reality" - You believe that there is an objective reality outside of your senses, and that your political philosophy is the correct way to interact with it at all times. All others who disagree with you are either mistaken about the basic nature of the world as it exists outside the borders of their perception or are delusional.

    2. "My political ideology/philosophy is a direct mirror of my material circumstances" - You hold that your philosophy is rooted in your own life-experiences, and that it is the correct way to deal with problems that arise in your personal life; you prefer governments that support your interests and oppose those that do not. At the same time, you do not necessarily hold that your philosophy is suitable at all times and all places for all men everywhere.

    3. "My political ideology/philosophy is purely a personal expression; it does not bear any relationship to reality" - You accept that you have no particular access to a higher order of things, but instead base your views on your own inner reality. And you do not fault those who feel differently from you - you likely feel that all social interactions are ultimately expressions, neither driving nor driven by a material reality.

    It would be very helpful to me if, in answering this poll, you could make a post explaining whether or not you feel you belong on the broad political Right or Left.
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    I have a political philosophy/ideology/idea for all these situations...

    The first is the ideal or goal.
    The second is the practical one in which how I apply my ideal to this system to make it work.
    The third often comes out when you really get to the very basics of an arguement of what I value more or less than what other people value more or less.

    To answer you last question, I don't think I belong to any known political ideology, but i am probably the closest to right wing as far as role of government and economics, but a lot of the right wing doesn't follow my views on this either in practice.
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    These distinctions are mostly artificial, as all ideologies in practice mingle the three. Besides that, nobody would be a reliable narrator of which spectrum they belong to.
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Well, this is one of those questions that cannot be really answered with satisfactory clarity, but for what it's worth:

    Yes, I do derive my political philosophy from certain first principles that appear to be in agreement with observable reality. Two central (interrelated) components are: (1) the morality based on freedom of choice, and (2) the realization that our ability to know, predict and control complex systems is limited. The former comes from our observable nature as reasoning beings that possess volition, the second from emprical data and simple logic.

    But yes - it is "rooted in my life experiences". Why bother to have any moral system - or any political philosophy, for that matter? Well, because my experience (and experience of people close to me) strongly suggested that discarding morality and/or refusing to pay attention to political workings of society leads straight to hell, to living our lives in deprivation and suffering.

    And also yes - I do not "fault" those who "feel differently", and certainly do not claim to "have particular access to a higher order of things". The very (also observable) subjectivity of our perceptions demands for freedom of choice to be treated as the central moral value: People are all different, they see things from different points of view, they come with different experiences and abilities - but their freedom to choose is one common demoninator.

    The ancients understood it already: "Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you". And by definition, nobody wishes to be coerced. "The rest is commentaries", as Rabbi Hillel said.

    Where do I belong in the broad political spectrum? All those labels are of limited value, but I could say: a libertarian (small "l"), rather moderate, and trying to be pragmatic. Take Gary Johnson and Bill Weld in equal proportions, mix into a thick Hayekian broth, add just a little Ron Paul for flavor...something like that
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Everybody believes their own beliefs and conclusions are valid.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Everybody believes their own beliefs and conclusions are valid.
    Ya, it is kind of a loaded question. Why would you pick 2 or 3? Wouldn't that be admitting you know you are wrong? This is like asking "are you delusional?" I don't think a delusional person would know they are delusional. Let's ask a liberal and see what they say
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Ya, it is kind of a loaded question. Why would you pick 2 or 3? Wouldn't that be admitting you know you are wrong? This is like asking "are you delusional?" I don't think a delusional person would know they are delusional. Let's ask a liberal and see what they say
    Choosing 2 or 3 is not the same as admitting that you are wrong. Its more like admitting that you don't know that you're right.

    My beliefs are somewhere betweeen 2 & 3 with a very small bit of 1. I believe that there is an objective reality, and that we might even be able to perceive accurately in some small way, sometimes, but we have no way of knowing when we have done so, and when we have failed.

    I am on the left of the political spectrum
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Everybody believes their own beliefs and conclusions are valid.
    So, if I believe, for example, that it is possible to get myself (and my horse) out of a swamp by pulling my own hair up, up, up [see "Hieronymus Carl Friedrich von Münchhausen"] - conclusions would be valid?

    (To appease the moderators: This is exactly what the "Neo-Keynesian" economic policies boil down to)

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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    Mine is pretty much based on my thoughts that people should be responsible for themselves, and for their decisions, and that as long as you don't step on my toes, I won't step on yours. Mutual respect for property rights and the right not to be physically harmed by my fellow citizens is the cornerstone of my political beliefs. I don't believe the government owes an individual anything except for a strong system of laws which protect the rights of citizens.
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    Re: What relationship does your political ideology/philosophy have with reality?

    How is answering "helpful" to the OP?

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