View Poll Results: Should lying Mass Media be punished?

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  • Yes, but for a lack of professional journalism.

    1 8.33%
  • No, they told the truth.

    3 25.00%
  • Yes, for collusion to promote a false agenda.

    5 41.67%
  • No, they were just doing a favor to get inside access.

    0 0%
  • If they lied before, they are lying now?

    1 8.33%
  • This just represents Mass Media manipulation and is normal.

    6 50.00%
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Thread: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The US had no legal authority to invade Iraq
    We had every legal right, listed here: Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

    and the world had a moral obligation to step in.
    I believe half of the things I say and say half of the things I believe.

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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I'm not sure I follow part of your argument. We did take down Saddam, and we aren't financing him or the Baath Party establishment. Part of the practical criticism of the war in fact was that we were to aggressive in removing vestiges of the regime and thus destabilized Iraqi society.
    I'm not so sure it was the removal of the regime as much as the (unexpected?) discovery that there was no other social capital left alive. That was the real mistake, not realizing how little there was to work with. Saddam set the country a few decades back by slaughtering every free and critical mind he could find.

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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The Bush Administration used weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the US to manipulate the nation to support the invasion of Iraq. Never before had the media been used in such a manner on the American public. It was nothing short of masterful. In and of itself, it was a grand success. In fact, for those who care to read about such things, the process is well documented. There are/have been university classes dedicated to the subject. The grand secret? Most people, most Americans don't care to read about such things! How much more perfect can propaganda campaign have been?

    The beauty of it all is that it was and is hidden in plan sight. Unfortunately, the genie will never go back in the bottle. Every administration will take what was learned from the Bush Administration and improve upon it.
    Never before? You seem to forget the last century.

    You're right though, the truth is hidden in plain sight. Iraq was a victim of complicated individual and group interactions within the government and intelligence agencies. The most interesting part is it was less than a quarter as sinister as some folks grant it, and thirty times less sexy than many would want to think. Everyone here seems to think everyone knew the weapons did not exist, but were lying to the public. How romantic of a concept. People are so quickly dismissing what we know to be more of the actual case: they convinced themselves of what they were seeing and what needed to be done, and did not like dissent. W's management style required a great deal more common viewpoint before presenting their thoughts to the President. He wanted it more or less sorted out at a lower level if at all possible. The people who were charged with that task engaged in shoving out the competing views, not because of sinister intentions, but because they were absolutely convinced they were right and the other person did not get it​.
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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    We shouldn't have had to go into Iraq, if the UN was actually effective and did their job...15 years of ignoring sanctions of knowing that Saddam was murdering groups of innocent people was 15 years too many.

    There was a whole list of reasons cited for why we went into Iraq, possible WMD's was just one of the many reasons.




    Longer version here:
    Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
    But we musn't forget that Containment policy was a major sticking point for nearly all parties. Few spoke of Containment with much affection at all. To many, the containment policies were crippling the people who needed to be crippled the least (the masses), while harming Saddam the least. Others were convinced that this "pissing around" could have been solved by toppling the regime. Others still were convinced that there ought not be a containment policy to begin with and we should just pull out resources out.

    People forget how unsatisfactory containment actually was. It wasn't until the subsequent invasion that the policy started to receive more favorable thoughts.
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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Never before? You seem to forget the last century.

    You're right though, the truth is hidden in plain sight. Iraq was a victim of complicated individual and group interactions within the government and intelligence agencies. The most interesting part is it was less than a quarter as sinister as some folks grant it, and thirty times less sexy than many would want to think.
    "Never before in such a manner..." In brief, I refer to the Age of Information. The evolution of electronic media and the sophistication of the art and science of mass communication provided the Bush Administration with power that was unknown to previous world leaders. If the Bush Administration had not used weapons grade propaganda on the citizens of the US, the following president(s) would have (are and will). It was only a matter of time.










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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Have we established a lie yet? The title promised many, past and present. Why is this CT crap in a general forum?

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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    We had every legal right, listed here: Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

    and the world had a moral obligation to step in.
    This resolution was in violation of the UN Charter and therefore illegal under international law.
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    "A Clean Break": A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

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    Re: Iraq War lies, past and present, and punishments?

    Yes. ****ty journalism, playing with ****ty intelligence sticking up to the govs card. Manufacturing consent? I think so.


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