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    Seriously consider before voting

    Should churches be required to honor our constitution and follow the same laws for non exempt tax status as any other organization?

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    Because religious organizations are not accountable to the citizens who subsidize them. If churches engage in charitable work that benefits the community, do all citizens have an interest in supporting such endeavors with, say, various tax exemptions? Of course. This is the sound basis for tax exemptions for non-profit organizations, whose activities and finances are subject to IRS audit and public scrutiny. In the case of religious organizations, however, the books are closed.
    Non-church groups receiving tax exemptions must annually file a detailed 990 statement itemizing where the money has gone. The IRS automatically waives the 990 requirement for churches.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    A tax exemption is not a subsidy.



    The reason churches are usually tax-exempt is because they often engage in charitable aid, and are a protected institution, as in "the power to tax is the power to destroy".

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A tax exemption is not a subsidy.



    The reason churches are usually tax-exempt is because they often engage in charitable aid, and are a protected institution, as in "the power to tax is the power to destroy".
    Lots of churches in my state have mega buildings like country clubs and pastors earning 6 figures and the charitable work is limited ...others are charitable and reasonable. Why not have each file a return and be accountable like any not for profit ...?
    This is not to suggest that you abandon your church or your faith. For one thing, any religious organization that lives up to its commitments to its congregation and community would have nothing to fear from filing a tax return, just like every other non-profit. For another, when these institutions pay taxes like every other non-profit, each citizen's tax burden is significantly lessened and consequently he or she maybetter endow a worthy institution with individual support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Should churches be required to honor our constitution and follow the same laws for non exempt tax status as any other organization?

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    Because religious organizations are not accountable to the citizens who subsidize them. If churches engage in charitable work that benefits the community, do all citizens have an interest in supporting such endeavors with, say, various tax exemptions? Of course. This is the sound basis for tax exemptions for non-profit organizations, whose activities and finances are subject to IRS audit and public scrutiny. In the case of religious organizations, however, the books are closed.
    Non-church groups receiving tax exemptions must annually file a detailed 990 statement itemizing where the money has gone. The IRS automatically waives the 990 requirement for churches.
    Not taxing churches, is not a subsidy.

    By that logic, the church my wife attends, subsidizes the federal and state governments by providing care, food, clothing, transportation, etc, to a great many of the poor people in the surrounding community.
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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A tax exemption is not a subsidy.



    The reason churches are usually tax-exempt is because they often engage in charitable aid, and are a protected institution, as in "the power to tax is the power to destroy".
    Why should the not for profit that does far greater works have to account yet any "religion" or "cult" can gain gain tax exempt status ...

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not taxing churches, is not a subsidy.

    By that logic, the church my wife attends, subsidizes the federal and state governments by providing care, food, clothing, transportation, etc, to a great many of the poor people in the surrounding community.
    That is that church ... think more broadly should any church have tax exempt status? Your wife's church if filing and truly being charitable would likely be tax exempt. Think broadly and analytically ... not your one anecdotal ....

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Religious organizations are not accountable to the citizens who subsidize them. If churches engage in charitable work that benefits the community, do all citizens have an interest in supporting such endeavors with, say, various tax exemptions? Of course. This is the sound basis for tax exemptions for non-profit organizations, whose activities and finances are subject to IRS audit and public scrutiny. In the case of religious organizations, however, the books are closed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    That is that church ... think more broadly should any church have tax exempt status? Your wife's church if filing and truly being charitable would likely be tax exempt. Think broadly and analytically ... not your one anecdotal ....
    While I get what you mean, I don't believe most churches follow the mega church model.
    Those that unjustly enrich themselves, usually get caught, some way or another.
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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Lots of churches in my state have mega buildings like country clubs and pastors earning 6 figures and the charitable work is limited ...others are charitable and reasonable. Why not have each file a return and be accountable like any not for profit ...?


    Really? Odd. In my entire county, I can only think of one actual "mega-church"... but there are hundreds of small churches that get by on a shoestring budget and would probably go under if they had to pay corporate tax rates.

    As for charity, every single soup kitchen and homeless shelter I've ever seen in my area is funded and run by a local church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    While I get what you mean, I don't believe most churches follow the mega church model.
    Those that unjustly enrich themselves, usually get caught, some way or another.

    No there is nothing to catch ...as the books are closed. Why not file as a non profit ... you are quite naive if you think the closed books is constitutional.

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