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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I moved from a small city ...there were 4 mega churches that were like country clubs and use money for cruises and country club settings yet they do some charitable work as well ...
    They hardly represent the majority, be real. Most churches are small in size (Around 75 members).

    Alot of those mega churches do above and beyond what any of us do for charity, btw.
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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think churches should be tax exempt only so far as their demonstrable charitable work. That ought not include the church building itself, supplies, etc. With so many churches ignoring the requirements that they be politically neutral and endorse no candidates, I see no reason why they shouldn't be taxed. If they want to play the political game, let them pay their damned entry fee like everyone else.
    Bravo! This is the best post on this thread. i would like to add if they are a struggling and charitable church then they would fall into tax exempt.

    If they want to be supported by their "flock", play politics or create their own social hang out for some cause other then charitable why should they enjoy the infrastructure tax payers support and live their fantasy tax free.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    They hardly represent the majority, be real. Most churches are small in size (Around 75 members).

    Alot of those mega churches do above and beyond what any of us do for charity, btw.
    link? Mega, medium or small like Westboro ... they should have the same scrutiny as any non profit and simply be required to file. It's a racket, in many cases andnone of which would be necessary if such unenforceable loopholes for cults or churches or pastors and their "flocks" and citizens should not be asked to have blind faith and subsidize them.

    It costs you and me billions. We are not talking chump change here. Consider that for every tax dollar a religious organization does not pay, you and I pay it on its behalf and those churches who have the greater good and charitable in their beliefs would be tax exempt as they should and the many who have greed, political agendas or simply they are gatherings for other motives would then be ferreted out. You are clinging to mega and under the guise of religion freedom we have violated our First amendment.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    As far as I'm concerned, tithing is a tax on stupidity, so I would view taxing churches as double taxation.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    The concept of separation of church and state is as much to protect the church from the state as it is the other way around - if not more so.


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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Bravo! This is the best post on this thread. i would like to add if they are a struggling and charitable church then they would fall into tax exempt.

    If they want to be supported by their "flock", play politics or create their own social hang out for some cause other then charitable why should they enjoy the infrastructure tax payers support and live their fantasy tax free.
    I church is a business whether it likes it or not. It survives by convincing people to "buy" it's products, just like any other business. If people won't pay, then they should go under, just like any other business. Now if they'll stay completely and totally out of politics, you know, separate church and state, then I'm cool with them maintaining their tax exempt status, so long as they are not making a profit (ie. non-profit organization). Otherwise, require them to pay.
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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Question: AFAIK the salaries of church employees, Pastor/Priest included, are taxed, am I incorrect? Same as non-profits.

    All this has nothing to do with "honoring the Constitution".

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, tithing is a tax on stupidity, so I would view taxing churches as double taxation.
    Now that is just freakin' funny ... the first funny on the thread. True ... one church that is a replication of the local country club has a "flock" of women tithing to the pastor and he enjoys christian cruises and spouting politics from the pulpit under the guise of prophecy.

    While it is absurd for this tax exempt status of this absurdity I view the women as being taxed on stupidity (and no fault but their own) because they like what he says and does with them. ; )


    Why not just have churches file just like a non profit organization? If they are charitable to an extent required by non profits they continue being exempt and if not they will not be subsidized by the tax payers.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Now that is just freakin' funny ... the first funny on the thread. True ... one church that is a replication of the local country club has a "flock" of women tithing to the pastor and he enjoys christian cruises and spouting politics from the pulpit under the guise of prophecy.

    While it is absurd for this tax exempt status of this absurdity I view the women as being taxed on stupidity (and no fault but their own) because they like what he says and does with them. ; )


    Why not just have churches file just like a non profit organization? If they are charitable to an extent required by non profits they continue being exempt and if not they will not be subsidized by the tax payers.
    Wow, thanks. You're making me consider changing professions.

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    Re: Seriously consider before voting

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Would not the Vatican be the prime example ?
    Have they been "caught" ?
    The Vatican has their own sovereignty.
    They can do whatever they want with their money.
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