“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman
This poll has to do with accountability. I have no axe to grind with any church. I do believe that many churches are charitable and many are not ... just simply places of gatherings and jobs for those collecting funds.
My OP was about open books and accountability and churches that believe they are non profit could file and be tax exempt and those who are simply gathering places for the preacher to have a place to spout or simply have his "flock" support him should have to account for the money.
Should Westboro not have to account? Should a mega church in my former city that operates like a country club and the preacher who uses the church as his income base and his ignorant "flock" to test out his claim of knowing prophecy be exempt from opening his books?
Should a mosque that might be recruiting?
Yes ... there is church right in front of my window that operates as we all imagine a church might and they would be tax exempt due to their charitable status and their internal operations.
To give blind tax exempt status under the guise of religion is a violation and unconstitutional and it is subsidizing religion and a violation of separation of church and state.
Here is a SCOTUS case and some numbers to consider.
"The religiously used real estate of the churches today constitutes a vast domain," Douglas warned " Their assets total over $141 billion and their annual income at least $22 billion. Id., at 232. And the extent to which they are feeding from the public trough in a variety of forms is alarming. Id., c. 10."
I would think so.....but, as usual, no vote.
This requires much more discussion and study....a "quick vote" based on emotion is not good./ One may say that I am "NOT" pro religion/church......but, in the interest of fair play.....lets talk this o'er.
How exactly are churches not "honoring our Constitution"?
Then again, CCW is a strawman argument. Gun registration and tax exemption from churches are not equatable.
Like I said before though, honoring our Constitution is to not restrict freedom of worship and religion. The church doesn't run the state, we hear that constantly. The opposite is also true, the state does not run the church and among that is the state not taxing the church. Some people are so mouth foaming adamant about keeping religion out of the government (which typically includes keeping religious morals out of social issues which is another improper restriction of rights, but that's for another thread). The government has no business in religion and worship, period. The Constitution forbids it.
Last edited by digsbe; 02-09-13 at 12:28 PM.
Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. -Socrates
The only legitimate reason I can see for not taxing churches is religious bias, which would conflict with the First Amendment. If the wrong people don't like a particular church or religion, they can paper-**** it into extinction. The IRS needs to be downsized, not given more power.
I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.