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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes obviously, but would you be mad if one of your kids said "Holy **** mom, that's awesome!!" because that isn't disrespectful in my eyes.

    I cuss a lot, but am very respectful to everyone, those two concepts aren't mutually exclusive.
    I curse on occasion and my children may let slip a "****" if they trip or drop something, etc... but I don't want to hear filth flarn and filth.. it becomes a habit too quickly, as evidenced by my niece. My sister lets her say things like "Oh **** mom.. that's ****ing cool", etc... then it opened a door for her to drop the f bomb for just about everything.

    I know my kids swear when they are around their friends... to some degree anyway. However, they both know what my expectation is, and that is that they need to be polite and understand that others are listening, even when they think they aren't. They also know that people are going to judge them (right or wrong) on how they carry themselves and present themselves. Hopefully that makes sense, as I just took a Tylenol PM so I can get some sleep tonight. hahaha
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    I curse on occasion and my children may let slip a "****" if they trip or drop something, etc... but I don't want to hear filth flarn and filth.. it becomes a habit too quickly, as evidenced by my niece. My sister lets her say things like "Oh **** mom.. that's ****ing cool", etc... then it opened a door for her to drop the f bomb for just about everything.

    I know my kids swear when they are around their friends... to some degree anyway. However, they both know what my expectation is, and that is that they need to be polite and understand that others are listening, even when they think they aren't. They also know that people are going to judge them (right or wrong) on how they carry themselves and present themselves. Hopefully that makes sense, as I just took a Tylenol PM so I can get some sleep tonight. hahaha
    But what is wrong about cussing? They are just words, and what makes them offensive is the meaning of your words, not what you say. You can be offensive as all hell without saying one cuss word, while you can be as caring and loving while dropping as many f bombs as you possibly can.

    I cuss a lot, but I am always respectful, and I think the important thing is knowing who you are talking to, and where you are. At home, no censorship what so ever, nor when I'm with my friends, but in public, with people it's all Yes, ma'am, and sir, and the like. Cursing is neutral, the only reason people think it is filthy is because people told them it was filthy.
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But what is wrong about cussing? They are just words, and what makes them offensive is the meaning of your words, not what you say. You can be offensive as all hell without saying one cuss word, while you can be as caring and loving while dropping as many f bombs as you possibly can.

    I cuss a lot, but I am always respectful, and I think the important thing is knowing who you are talking to, and where you are. At home, no censorship what so ever, nor when I'm with my friends, but in public, with people it's all Yes, ma'am, and sir, and the like. Cursing is neutral, the only reason people think it is filthy is because people told them it was filthy.
    While that may be true, some people don't like it because the words infer things.
    ****, is quite literally feces.

    Some people don't like poop a whole lot.
    Generally, it's fine to cuss in an informal setting.
    In the formal, no way.

    With parents, it depends, some have higher expectations than others.
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But what is wrong about cussing? They are just words, and what makes them offensive is the meaning of your words, not what you say. You can be offensive as all hell without saying one cuss word, while you can be as caring and loving while dropping as many f bombs as you possibly can.

    I cuss a lot, but I am always respectful, and I think the important thing is knowing who you are talking to, and where you are. At home, no censorship what so ever, nor when I'm with my friends, but in public, with people it's all Yes, ma'am, and sir, and the like. Cursing is neutral, the only reason people think it is filthy is because people told them it was filthy.
    You have a point... what constitutes "foul language" and what is acceptible is defined by society, and the definitions are kinda arbitrary.

    For instance, "crap" and **** mean the same thing... but people will say the former and castigate you for using the latter expression ten seconds later. In a way it makes no sense.

    OTOH it is a lowest-common denominator thing, and a lowering of the bar. Once upon a time, if you wanted to shock someone, exhibit extreme emphasis, or make it clear you were getting really angry, you could throw the word "damn" into your sentence and get people's attention. "Damn" eventually became so common that a new word was needed if one wished to accomplish the same thing, so people started throwing the F-bomb around... and now THAT has gotten so common that not many bat an eye anymore, so to get people's attention you have to go to EXTREMES with combinational foul language... and you hear things like "go such a syphillitic donkey dick and die, you cocksucking bitch" being said between 17yo girls in public places.

    Just how low and how crude are we going to go?

    Also, the way one thinks and the words one uses are related, and feed into how one acts. Are there long-term psychological and social effects involved in being so crude and offensive?

    Kinda worries me.


    Of course, things often tend to go in cycles, up and down... if so we're just about due for new round of Victorian prudishness!

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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    But what is wrong about cussing? They are just words, and what makes them offensive is the meaning of your words, not what you say. You can be offensive as all hell without saying one cuss word, while you can be as caring and loving while dropping as many f bombs as you possibly can.

    I cuss a lot, but I am always respectful, and I think the important thing is knowing who you are talking to, and where you are. At home, no censorship what so ever, nor when I'm with my friends, but in public, with people it's all Yes, ma'am, and sir, and the like. Cursing is neutral, the only reason people think it is filthy is because people told them it was filthy.
    I swear more than I should but I still think it's disrespectful to loudly cuss in a restaurant or something where there are families with kids.
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You have a point... what constitutes "foul language" and what is acceptible is defined by society, and the definitions are kinda arbitrary.

    For instance, "crap" and **** mean the same thing... but people will say the former and castigate you for using the latter expression ten seconds later. In a way it makes no sense.

    OTOH it is a lowest-common denominator thing, and a lowering of the bar. Once upon a time, if you wanted to shock someone, exhibit extreme emphasis, or make it clear you were getting really angry, you could throw the word "damn" into your sentence and get people's attention. "Damn" eventually became so common that a new word was needed if one wished to accomplish the same thing, so people started throwing the F-bomb around... and now THAT has gotten so common that not many bat an eye anymore, so to get people's attention you have to go to EXTREMES with combinational foul language... and you hear things like "go such a syphillitic donkey dick and die, you cocksucking bitch" being said between 17yo girls in public places.

    Just how low and how crude are we going to go?

    Also, the way one thinks and the words one uses are related, and feed into how one acts. Are there long-term psychological and social effects involved in being so crude and offensive?

    Kinda worries me.


    Of course, things often tend to go in cycles, up and down... if so we're just about due for new round of Victorian prudishness!
    Uh, Victorian ages were very smarmy and not-so-prudish...lol
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You have a point... what constitutes "foul language" and what is acceptible is defined by society, and the definitions are kinda arbitrary.

    For instance, "crap" and **** mean the same thing... but people will say the former and castigate you for using the latter expression ten seconds later. In a way it makes no sense.

    OTOH it is a lowest-common denominator thing, and a lowering of the bar. Once upon a time, if you wanted to shock someone, exhibit extreme emphasis, or make it clear you were getting really angry, you could throw the word "damn" into your sentence and get people's attention. "Damn" eventually became so common that a new word was needed if one wished to accomplish the same thing, so people started throwing the F-bomb around... and now THAT has gotten so common that not many bat an eye anymore, so to get people's attention you have to go to EXTREMES with combinational foul language... and you hear things like "go such a syphillitic donkey dick and die, you cocksucking bitch" being said between 17yo girls in public places.

    Just how low and how crude are we going to go?

    Also, the way one thinks and the words one uses are related, and feed into how one acts. Are there long-term psychological and social effects involved in being so crude and offensive?

    Kinda worries me.


    Of course, things often tend to go in cycles, up and down... if so we're just about due for new round of Victorian prudishness!
    I would argue that saying **** really isn't crude

    I would like to live in a time/place where people are offended by actual offensive things like being rude, inconsiderate, etc, and not things we make up to be offended about.
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Uh, Victorian ages were very smarmy and not-so-prudish...lol


    More like a veneer of buttoned-down lace and sexual repression, veiling the corruption and decadence beneath.


    But personally, I'd prefer society's corruption and decadence be hidden and viewed as a shame. At least then there's an acknowlegement that the corruption is wrong and ought not be out in the public eye.

    The proliferation of strip clubs and the way they advertise publically now... this is astonishing to me and a sign of great moral debasement in society. There were always SOME such places, even forty years ago... but they were hidden and strictly word-of-mouth, and few would admit to having been to one.

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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I would argue that saying **** really isn't crude

    I would like to live in a time/place where people are offended by actual offensive things like being rude, inconsiderate, etc, and not things we make up to be offended about.
    Different people can interpret the same phrase in different ways.
    A certain racially charged word, can be used to insult or address someone.

    It's generally best to avoid cussing around people with whom you don't know their tolerance level of language.
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    Re: Disrespect; a society norm or is it a huge problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Do you feel that disrespect among young people (ages teens to early 20s) is rampant?

    My own children are 16 and 14, and I'm telling you... cursing and disrespectful behavior isn't tolerated. Although they will try to get away with it, there are very clear and very swift consequences. My children do not swear at me, teachers or other adults. However, some of their friends DO and it seems that either because of lack of parental guidance or laxa-daisy enforcement by school officials country wide - it appears at least, to be an epidemic of sorts.

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    Cursing doesn't bother me generally speaking - the words themselves are never offensive. I'm passionate about etymology. I and my children are creative communicators - we can come up with some pretty harsh and pert put-downs and verbal ventings without using them if we want to. I don't fear the words, they don't put me off or make me think of someone as being ignorant or crass and really - I don't like our societies stuffiness when it comes to certain words. The origins of what we considered foul curse words is based on prejudice and hatred of cultures / nationalities from the days of the past . . . I don't like racism and prejudice AT ALL so honestly - I always made sure my children knew the real origins of these horrid 'curse words' and why others find it so offensive . . . and why I do not.

    Hmm - well - I think it's been brought up in another thread: but I have very different levels of what is 'ok' - It's fine to be whatever you want at home. Home is safe - not much judgement. Relax, kick back your feet - just don't hurt anyone and get your chores done and we're pretty much fine with anything.

    However - public, school and family trips to see the grandparents . . . nope. The traditional levels of decency and respect firmly apply. Home and in our vehicle are the only two places where there are very few rules as far as that type of thing goes.

    Thusly - violations outside the home are met with much more strict consequences when they do happen than my parents had done when I was growing up. One such response is to put the child on talk-limitation.

    Yep - my children are told not to talk. . . usually for an entire day - or two days depending on what happened. (who things were said to - obvious this is in response to only verbal offenses)

    I'm cruel and evil. Telling a kid they can't speak is as harsh as it gets - and it works. We only have one or two incidences a year and the last two have been with our 2nd son. He only curses when he's angry - it's never been a habit he 'picked up' casually like me.

    Other than the cursing topic - we're strict on how they TREAT other people . . . my children are very polite and I don't tolerate wild behavior, back talk and attitude issues.

    If something happens - a teacher is on their last nerve or the cashier was rude . . . they can let it out *when they're home* - I refuse to force my children to always bottle up their thoughts and feelings or learn that they can only take out their feelings while playing sports.

    One crucial thing that was horribly absent from my childhood was the comfort with my parents to tell them whatever I was thinking - about whoever I was thinking it about - to any extent I felt necessary. I had to always keep it to myself and never say anything that they might considered 'rude or wrong' against others . . . I refuse to raise my children on such a leash.

    The openness we have with our children is wonderful and something I never dreamed - and still don't see possible - with my family. If something's going on in my kid's life I want them to know they have me - if no one else will listen. I'll listen and odds are I've felt it at some point or thought the same thing.
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