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polygamy ? [W: 267,434]

must polygamy be legalized ?

  • yes ,because it is a matter of freedom and it must be legalized

    Votes: 27 39.7%

  • it must be legalized for only men

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • it must be legalized for both men and women

    Votes: 14 20.6%

  • no ,it is a kind of perversion and it has nothing to do with freedom

    Votes: 7 10.3%

  • it is just a marginality which may harm society

    Votes: 4 5.9%

  • it was a tradition in many ancient cultures and defending it doesnt seem so liberalal

    Votes: 9 13.2%

  • being against it is a bigotry and l defend polygamy as an enlightened person

    Votes: 4 5.9%

  • it is better than monogamy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • l dont care

    Votes: 16 23.5%

  • others

    Votes: 12 17.6%
  • Total voters
    68
Gina said:
Look to China for what happens when there are not enough women for every man to have a wife. You cannot argue with math.

As to your argument, why encourage with government blessings, a relationship that will make that situation worse?
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Why do you assume it would become culturally acceptable behavior and the majority of woman would be interested in it? Somehow I doubt either would happen.
 
Gina said:
Look to China for what happens when there are not enough women for every man to have a wife. You cannot argue with math.

As to your argument, why encourage with government blessings, a relationship that will make that situation worse?
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That's true. 80mil single men. Fewer men than that have toppled societies and nations. If the population crisis persists, we may see a lot of bad things in China's future.
 
disneydude said:
Is it any different with children of non-polygamous relationships? I honestly don't know. Is there greater reliance on social services from Polygamists? I would be surprized if there are but I honestly don't know.

As for the second part of your reply I think you raise a good point. Having lived in Utah myself, I saw a number of polygamy situations. If we are talking about arranged marriages and marriages of young girls to older men, I wouldn't support that. I would support polygamy in "concept" and if all of the parties involved truly are consenting adults.
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In my link, it was explained they have a policy of "bleeding the beast", to milk the government of as much as possible.

That's the problem though, with pressure on a limited pool of women to marry because there are not enough to go around, situation is created that could end up, as we have seen, forcing women and girls into arranged marriages.
 
Henrin said:
Why do you assume it would become culturally acceptable behavior and the majority of woman would be interested in it? Somehow I doubt either would happen.
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Because we see it already. Women and girls are being forced into it where it exists. Jeffs is in jail for it. Government sanction will only exacerbate the situation.

Rainman05 said:
That's true. 80mil single men. Fewer men than that have toppled societies and nations. If the population crisis persists, we may see a lot of bad things in China's future.
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I don't see how they will escape it. The ratio of marriageable men to women has been thrown off so drastically.
 
Gina said:
In my link, it was explained they have a policy of "bleeding the beast", to milk the government of as much as possible.

That's the problem though, with pressure on a limited pool of women to marry because there are not enough to go around, situation is created that could end up, as we have seen, forcing women and girls into arranged marriages.
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However that is assuming a ton of things.

1. It assumes it would be culturally acceptable
2. It assumes women would be interested
3. It assumes the majority of men would actually want more than one wife.
4. It assumes the response to any sort of crisis is to force women into marriages.

None of these are very good bets to make. I'm hesitant to say it, but there really is no chance that it would ever become something practiced by a great deal of people in this country.
 
Gina said:
Because we see it already. Women and girls are being forced into it where it exists. Jeffs is in jail for it. Government sanction will only exacerbate the situation.
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Yes, and in how many of those situations did one or more of the following already exist

1. population controls
2. lack of rights for women
3. a culture evolved around it.
4. lack of consent in these arrangements

Just wondering.
 
Henrin said:
However that is assuming a ton of things.

1. It assumes it would be culturally acceptable
2. It assumes women would be interested
3. It assumes the majority of men would actually want more than one wife.
4. It assumes the response to any sort of crisis is to force women into marriages.

None of these are very good bets to make. I'm hesitant to say it, but there really is no chance that it would ever become something practiced by a great deal of people in this country.
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Why is it not a good bet? Look at polygamy as it is already practiced illegally. Take away the government restriction and it will become a greater problem.

Women and girls are already being coerced.

It doesn't have to be a majority of men to make it a bad thing it already is.

Because there are men who manipulate women and girls into these marriages.

Again, it doesn't have to be widespread to be bad.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, and in how many of those situations did one or more of the following already exist

1. population controls
2. lack of rights for women
3. a culture evolved around it.
4. lack of consent in these arrangements

Just wondering.
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I'm not sure I understand the question.

In these communities like Jeffs, women and girls cannot easily breakaway from the culture and the girls lack consent. They are forced by their families or pressure by the elders on their families to make theses marriages.
 
China's situation is caused by a law limiting each marriage to one child. Not by polygamy.

Apples and oranges.

Why do you assume that men would have multiple wives and that women won''t have multiple husbands? A man (unless they are a superior man like me) can not satisfy 3 women but one woman cas easily satisfy 3 men while thinking about recopies for tonights diviner.




Gina said:
Look to China for what happens when there are not enough women for every man to have a wife. You cannot argue with math.

As to your argument, why encourage with government blessings, a relationship that will make that situation worse?
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If consenting adults and no more govt benefits/support than if only one spouse, fine by me....
Probably beats serial monotony....
 
in my opinion marriage shouldn't be law. so any kind of marriage homosexual heterosexual polygamy or any other combination people can dream up.
 
Meh, I don't really care. Let them marry 100 people for all I care. Why anyone would want all of those spouses and children is a mystery to me though.
 
Medusa said:
l would like to know your points of view on polygamic marriages which include more than two spouses .
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I have no problem with it. When I was stationed in Bangkok the papasan of the apartments I lived in had 5 wives. As long as a person can afford them and take care of them properly, who cares how many wives or husbands for that matter.
 
Perotista said:
I have no problem with it. When I was stationed in Bangkok the papasan of the apartments I lived in had 5 wives. As long as a person can afford them and take care of them properly, who cares how many wives or husbands for that matter.
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in what respect ?
 
Gina said:
I'm not sure I understand the question.

In these communities like Jeffs, women and girls cannot easily breakaway from the culture and the girls lack consent. They are forced by their families or pressure by the elders on their families to make theses marriages.
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Exactly. Consent completely doesn't exist and on top of that these girls are slaves to their men. Its not your everyday marriage/relationship nor is it anything we are talking about in here.
 
Of course if polygamy were ever to be legalized, they would have to follow the same age of consent laws as anyone else.
 
Medusa said:
will we consent to let every action which includes consent adults be legalized ?
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Probably not in every case, but for the most part yes.
 
Gina said:
Why is it not a good bet? Look at polygamy as it is already practiced illegally. Take away the government restriction and it will become a greater problem.
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Because I can't think of a society were it became the norm where it was done without coercion or wasn't the result of bad government policy.

Women and girls are already being coerced.
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Indeed and that would still not be allowed.

Because there are men who manipulate women and girls into these marriages.
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Exactly. We still wouldn't allow that.

Again, it doesn't have to be widespread to be bad.
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No, but none of what you said here would be allowed, so your point seems lost on me.
 
Henrin said:
Because I can't think of a society were it became the norm where it was done without coercion or was the result of bad government policy.



Indeed and that would still not be allowed.



Exactly. We still wouldn't allow that.



No, but none of what you said here would be allowed, so your point seems lost on me.
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1. Then why legalize it?

2, 3, 4. How will legalizing polygamy keep it from happening?
 
specklebang said:
So your opinions are based on worst case scenarios where non-consenting women are forced into marriage-slavery?

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I base my opinion on the extremely large majority who actually wish to practice it.

If you prefer a rich fantasy life, however, be my guest.
 
Whatever.

...extremely large majority....good grief©

Gardener said:
I base my opinion on the extremely large majority who actually wish to practice it.

If you prefer a rich fantasy life, however, be my guest.
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No. Why don't you straighten me out with your facts and figures. No doubt there's a tidal wave of polygamy going on in America and I'm too busy amusing the cats to keep up with the dreadful plague.

Keep this up and before you know it gay people will be legalized and then where will we end up?


Gardener said:
You really aren't too much up on things, are you?
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Rainman05 said:
You put this in polls and made no poll.

Anyway.

The answer is no. I don't think polygamy is a good thing and it shouldn't become a thing, ever. It is a horrible social construct that is meant to breed superficiality in the familial relationship. It can never be enforced in a truly free society because it goes against the very nature of mankind. It usually takes some sort of pressure for it to be an accepted thing.

Furthermore, because the ratio of men to women is roughly the same, there is no doubt that it is not the normal behavior of man to have multiple spouses.

I am however curious if you are addressing this topic strictly from a man to have multiple wives perspective or for a woman to have multiple husbands? The very answer to this question reveals the horrible aspect of this belief. The fact that there is basically no mainstream religion which promotes the idea of a woman to have multiple husbands, but there are at least religions in the world that promote the idea of a man to have multiple wives. And that is mormonism and islam. Without these 2 religions to apply and condition a people to accept it, such a concept would never stand for the mainstream cultural aspect of a society.
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You're leaving the plural marriage form out of your considerations.

I've always been intrigued by the idea of plural marriage as portrayed by Heinlein.

Not for everybody, but not necessarily negative in any way.

We act like love is a limited thing, but it isn't in my experience.
 
Why would any sane man want to have more than one woman reminding him he forgot to put the seat down?

One good woman at a time is all I need.
 
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