View Poll Results: must polygamy be legalized ?

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  • yes ,because it is a matter of freedom and it must be legalized

    30 38.96%
  • it must be legalized for only men

    1 1.30%
  • it must be legalized for both men and women

    16 20.78%
  • no ,it is a kind of perversion and it has nothing to do with freedom

    10 12.99%
  • it is just a marginality which may harm society

    4 5.19%
  • it was a tradition in many ancient cultures and defending it doesnt seem so liberalal

    9 11.69%
  • being against it is a bigotry and l defend polygamy as an enlightened person

    5 6.49%
  • it is better than monogamy

    1 1.30%
  • l dont care

    20 25.97%
  • others

    14 18.18%
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    re: polygamy ? [W: 267,434]

    In theory, I don't have a problem with it.

    But inevitably what happens is that this is generally only practiced in very small, insular societies. Eventually, basically everybody in these places are related to each other. This is why they also allow first cousins to marry, and arranged marriages. Picture living in a town with 100 people, and basically every marriageable person of the opposite sex is your cousin. And you're expected to marry 3 of them...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why is virgin important?

    l didnt claim such a thing

    read all of my responses to tactical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l didnt claim such a thing
    I'm just saying, virginity is not so important. Avoiding abuse is the point of child consent law. This is why we have a '1-2 years of age difference' clause. Sexual exploration at an age too young to be worrying about such (when not capable of actually sustaining the results) is not criminally damaging like statutory rape.

    read all of my responses to tactical
    Can you think and type that, and believe it would happen? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm just saying, virginity is not so important. Avoiding abuse is the point of child consent law. This is why we have a '1-2 years of age difference' clause. Sexual exploration at an age to young to be worrying about such is not criminally damaging like statutory rape.



    Can you think and type that and think it would happen? Really?
    did l say it was important
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    did l say it was important
    It seems to be a "point" that you're trying to make.


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    teenagers are virgin in usa ?

    heheh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It seems to be a "point" that you're trying to make.
    no ,l was trying to point many teeanagers have enough physical maturity to have sex and they do

    l think l am not wrong................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    no ,l was trying to point many teeanagers have enough physical maturity to have sex and they do
    With adults?

    l think l am not wrong................
    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    With adults?



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    dont accuse me of the things l didnt do

    quote my posts and prove if you think l did please.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Would you like me to tell you about his fantasies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    we are talking about a marginal kind marriage
    ............

    and according to arcana ,anybody can be killed if he is consent

    l am pointing out there isnt such a freedom ...

    l wasnt referring to euthanasia ,..............
    Euthanasia IS being killed with consent. You can't say that one does not have the freedom/right to be killed by another if he gives consent, and then say that euthanasia is allowable. That's like saying you can't have any kind of canine, but you are allowed to have a dog.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What have people been saying over and over and over again? They have been saying that polygamist would have to FOLLOW THE LAW.
    That was the wrong argument to use, as it is already against the law to have more than one spouse. The logical step from your response is that polygamist have to follow the law of having only one spouse.

    I believe that you meant that any poly marriage would still require all participants to be at or over the age of consent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Okay. So we went from polygamous marriage, which is ideally about love and all that good stuff, to depression, murder and cannibals. Who's not being honest anymore here? You're comparing things that are so not in the same ballpark, it's getting ridiculous-
    As much as I hate to say it, they are comparable in the context given because we are talking about actions/whatever, that should be allowed by consenting adult individuals as long as no harm is imposed upon any non-consenting or non-adult individual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    why not ?

    if a 14 years old girl can have sex with his 14 years old boyfriend because they are consent ?

    taht girl has the right to choose whom to have sex with,according to your arguments......

    incest is disgusting ?

    ?

    where is their freedom ?

    if they are consent....
    You keep ignoring the AGE of consent argument. When we keep saying that the choice needs to be available for consenting ADULTS, and you bring up children, then you are being dishonest at worst or using a red herring argument at best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It really doesn't. I don't see it being that big of deal or very expensive at all.
    If you can't see it Chris, then you are more optimistic than most of the poly community. Most of us realize that these legal hurdle are present.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Honestly, I think if we allowed poly people to define their own marriage arrangements via contract and then was as a society simply gave legal recognition to those arrangements, a lot of these "difficult" questions would have fairly simple solutions.
    Neither I nor, I'm sure, MD disagrees with you per se', except to note that even your suggestion has to be codified into law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    why is a person who is 20 convicted from pedohilia because he had sex with a girl 17 ?

    do you think it is normal ?
    The argument for what the age of consent should be is a separate issue from poly marriages. In the course of world history the age of consent has been as young as 11. But age of consent is irrelevant to the issue of poly marriages, because we are discussing marriages between 2 or more individuals above the age of consent. Do not move the goal posts that we are not even heading for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    ,dont be funny ,change the laws as you want to change it for polygamy
    they seem to be consent enough to have sex with everybody and give birth !!
    You know, and I don't mean this in any negative manner, but I think there are key point from both sides here that are getting lost in translation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes ,if teh problem is being consent .........

    according yo your marginal logics

    dont worry about legality

    a child (! ) must have the right to have sex with a person over 18 ( 20 ,22 )

    they must have teh same freedom as polygamic adults!!
    I think I just figured it out! Medusa, are you automatically equating polygamy as being an adult male with underage females? If such is the case then you are sorely mistaken. Just like the legal act of sex in general is illegal with an underage individual, so would the conceptually legal act of poly marriages be illegal if it involved any underage individuals

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Keep lying about what you said. Lying seems to be what you do best -- that and comparisons that make no sense.
    Ok Dan chill a bit. While I would credit Medusa with confusion or even improper premises, she has at no point shown herself to be lying. That is to say, she has done nothing that exhibits that she is telling an untruth, knowing what the truth is and intentionally intending to deceive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    no ,l am just hittin many of you with your own " consent" arguments
    But the arguments are misapplied. You're basically telling us something can't be blue because it's round. The two have nothing to do with each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    NO they can't. The laws about age of consent do NOT need to be changed. Again, for the UMPTEENTH time, no one is talking about marrying CHILDREN who are not of legal age.

    We are talking about ADULTS making an informed decision about the type of relationship that they want to have with another which is really none of your business.
    As much as I hate pitching for the other side of the argument...

    Yes the laws CAN change. Would they? Most likely not, but Medusa seems to be under the impression that they will, or if I am correct about the assumption of polygamy she has that I mentioned above should, at least as far as if you allow this one act by perverts (as she is seeing poly) then you need to allow the other acts of perverts (pedophilia, at least at the teenage level).

    Secondly, since we are talking about the legal impact of poly marriage, it is indeed to a point the business of anyone potentially affected by changes in the law. It's not our business of whom they decide to marry or even if they decide to marry, but changing the laws on how many can enter into a single marriage contract can impact the rest of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    dont pretend to misunderstand me.
    Many of us are probably misunderstanding you. You keep using consent as a noun when it is a verb. 17 year old girls are not consent, they either or giving or withdrawing consent or they are below, at or above the age of consent. As I said earlier, I think the translation issue is causing misunderstandings i both directions.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In theory, I don't have a problem with it.

    But inevitably what happens is that this is generally only practiced in very small, insular societies. Eventually, basically everybody in these places are related to each other. This is why they also allow first cousins to marry, and arranged marriages. Picture living in a town with 100 people, and basically every marriageable person of the opposite sex is your cousin. And you're expected to marry 3 of them...
    WOW. You are late to the game on that aspect. The poly community is quite spread out across this country and around the world. The vast majority of us are NOT like the Mormon sects out Utah/Arizona way. We don't believe in children being part of the marriage, although they are part of the family just like in mono marriages. We don't believe in interbreeding. And there are plenty enough of us out there, that we really don't need to. If you go to Fetlife, and look up poly as an interest, there are over 1,000 people alone there. And that's just the tip of the iceberg because many of us list poly in our relationship status or just in our profile wording and never add it to our interest list, because we don't see poly as a fetish, but as a lifestyle. And that is just the tip of an even larger iceberg because it's just a small percentage of polys who bother being part of Fetlife.

    As for the expected to marry 3 of them statement, you are applying an Islamic practice/tenant, again an extreme minority among all polys, to the rest of us. First off, as polys we don't expect any given number within a given marriage group. A vast majority of us tend to stick to triads or v's. Group families as you see on Sister Wives are on the large side.

    The problem with the perception of polys is that you get the Islamists and the fundie Mormons who are abusing their women and of course are put front and center into the public eye. Most polys, realizing that we are a minority among the overall population, tend not to advertise our lifestyle. It's similar to mixed race marriages/relationship before the civil rights movement or same gender relationships until relatively recently.

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