View Poll Results: must polygamy be legalized ?

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  • yes ,because it is a matter of freedom and it must be legalized

    30 38.96%
  • it must be legalized for only men

    1 1.30%
  • it must be legalized for both men and women

    16 20.78%
  • no ,it is a kind of perversion and it has nothing to do with freedom

    10 12.99%
  • it is just a marginality which may harm society

    4 5.19%
  • it was a tradition in many ancient cultures and defending it doesnt seem so liberalal

    9 11.69%
  • being against it is a bigotry and l defend polygamy as an enlightened person

    5 6.49%
  • it is better than monogamy

    1 1.30%
  • l dont care

    20 25.97%
  • others

    14 18.18%
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    re: polygamy ? [W: 267,434]

    IMHO, everything, everyday is a form of contract. We have a contract to drive on our side and we bet our life that everyone will honor that contract. We contract our labor so you don't find out at the end of the week what your pay rate was. In fact, we're all experienced contractors and the only place we don't use those skills is in affairs of the heart.

    People get married for the dumbest reasons. You were good in bed so you'll also be good at life? We dive into a veritable swamp of legal and structural repercussions on vague assumptions. The only people that have any chance of having a fulfilling long term arrangement are people who know what the damn deal is. Polygamy would force people to give a lot more thought to how they entangle themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see we have much to agree on, and marriage being a contract is definitely one of them, regardless of how often some insist that it is a religious institution. I mean, if two (or more) people want to consider their union a religious institution, I don't really give a rats' patootie, but according to our system, it is undeniably a type of contract. However, I do admire the notion that people should be allowed to commit themselves to ech other, in any number.

    And I agree that the issue here is legality and not the practicality, at least not practicality on the individual level. However, "practicality" (for lack of a better term) does come into play when talking about the basis of many laws. A good deal of contract law is justified by asking "Does it serve the publics' interest?" While there is definitely a public interest in allowing people to join in to a contract with their consent, it is not in the publics interest to set no limits on what sort of agreements can be enforced (contract to kill, prostitution, etc)

    So I guess, my point here is that the whole issue is not simply one of "We should allow people the freedom to enter into contracts with their consent being the only consideration". IMO, if one were to closely consider these other issues (ex property division, child well being, societal order, etc), the whole topic becomes too complex and contentious to be manageable.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Id be totally fine with granting this new right as long as it follows the basics of marriage now.

    SOund mind consenting adults.


    IMO the only real hurdles polygamy has is the perception that its always forced and involves minors and how to write the law.

    FOr example one man 4 wifes, one large house, 3 kids between to 3 wifes and one wife with no kids.

    Man dies, now what? what happens to house, befits etc etc etc Does the first wife become the highest ranked, women with kids? all equally?

    Is there anything in the polygamy handbook that decides this?

    again im fine with polygamy and support it but it has a legal hurdle to clear.
    you read the posts in the thread

    in my opinion no one who cares about love ,loyality or woman rights must approve this..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l would like to know your points of view on polygamic marriages which include more than two spouses .
    It should remain banned, but I also don't see any point in marriage to one person, let alone multiple people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    you read the posts in the thread

    in my opinion no one who cares about love ,loyality or woman rights must approve this..
    sorry i didnt ready any posts in the thread yet i just post my opinion.

    As for your opinion i totally disagree

    while, me or you may not want to have anything to do with polygamy that most certainly doesn't mean people in those relationships don't love each other and are not loyal.

    ALso if its available for all, what does woman's rights have to do with it? what happens if a woman has multiple husbands? or if this happens after equal rights are granted for gays what about a multiple partner all girl relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    sorry i didnt ready any posts in the thread yet i just post my opinion.

    As for your opinion i totally disagree

    while, me or you may not want to have anything to do with polygamy that most certainly doesn't mean people in those relationships don't love each other and are not loyal.

    ALso if its available for all, what does woman's rights have to do with it? what happens if a woman has multiple husbands? or if this happens after equal rights are granted for gays what about a multiple partner all girl relationship.
    you cant be loyal when you have more than one spouse.

    it is a well known fact that men usually tend to have polygamic desires...

    and it (women having multiple husbands )sounds more disturbing than the other kind
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    If you can put together a multi-party relationship with all its complexities at 2 AM, you're a better man than I MacDuff.

    I find my argument brilliant and elegantly put.



    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post

    For all that I am a supporter of poly marriages, I find this argument somewhat lacking. While yes, we in the poly community try to educate so that those entering into this lifestyle will create such contracts, what is there that would prevent a poly marriage from happening at 2 AM in Vegas the same way a mono marriage does?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Kociela View Post
    It is difficult to reconcile my very liberal philosophies to my revulsion at polygamy. The majority of polygamists are members of a fundamentalist Mormon cult that is based along the Utah-Arizona border (Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.) Although I really have no interest in how consenting adults behave towards each other as long as they do no harm to others, I make an exception when polygamy enters the picture. As a longtime journalist who has written the book 'plygs,' I know only too well the dangers of polygamy. It is almost never a matter of consenting adults as little girls, some as young as 12, are forced into marriage with much older men as soon as they become fertile. Women are subjected to degradation as being merely the possessions of their husbands. Young boys are taken from school and forced to work in the fields or in the church-owned businesses for no pay. They adhere to the practice of what they call 'bleeding the beast,' which is an economic fraud perpetrated against the government to receive everything from health care benefits to food stamps. The sister wives have been trained to write 'father unknown' on the birth certificates of their newborns, which greases the tracks for their eligibility for public assistance. They have stockpiles of highi-powered weapons and explosives in caches hidden throughout the Utah-Arizona community of Short Creek (Hildale Utah and Colorado City, Arizona) for use against law enforcement in the event of a major raid on the community similar to the one in 1953 when Arizona cops went in and arrested everybody in town for violating polygamy laws.

    This is a dangerous, violent, perverted society run by evil pedophiles. Their leader, self-proclaimed prophet Warren Jeffs, is in a Texas prison, serving two life-plus-20-year terms for sexual abuse of a child--his 12-year-old and 14-year-old brides, one of whom he impregnated. A dozen other men were also convicted along with Jeffs.

    If this was simply a matter of sexual/relationship consent among adults, much like gay marriage, I would have no qualms, but there are few polygamous communities that leave it as such.

    Polygamy is not as represented by the reality show 'Sister Wives' or 'Big Love.' It is an ugly, perverted culture based on fear and greed.
    Yes, and those things happen in "illegal" polygamist unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    1.)you cant be loyal when you have more than one spouse.

    2.)it is a well known fact that men usually tend to have polygamic desires...

    3.)and it (women having multiple husbands )sounds more disturbing than the other kind
    1.) of course you can, polygamist view it as one unit, they are all part of the same team.

    2.) true, i also not many many woman that would love to have more than one guy at a time too, its just usually thier standards are higher. THey would like to have a "the Rock" and "Vin diesel" sandwich while guys are fine with a neighbor girlfriend sandwich LOL

    3.) again, we may think that but its not for us to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    you cant be loyal when you have more than one spouse.

    it is a well known fact that men usually tend to have polygamic desires...

    and it (women having multiple husbands )sounds more disturbing than the other kind
    And nobody HAS to have multiple spouses. That would be a personal choice. If somebody feels that is the right situation for them, as long as they are not doing anything illegal, why would you care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) of course you can, polygamist view it as one unit, they are all part of the same team.

    2.) true, i also not many many woman that would love to have more than one guy at a time too, its just usually thier standards are higher. THey would like to have a "the Rock" and "Vin diesel" sandwich while guys are fine with a neighbor girlfriend sandwich LOL

    3.) again, we may think that but its not for us to decide.
    1- it is against teh nature of the romantic love and loyalty

    2-

    3_ only if they want it to be legalized ..
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