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Would you vote for Rand Paul for president?

Would you vote for Rand Paul for president?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 37.1%
  • No

    Votes: 56 62.9%

  • Total voters
    89
I most likely would. He tends toward the libertarian side, and would have a far better chance of winning than any libertarian on the ticket ever would.

I have ran into quite a lot of Libertarians in my time. If I had to make an off the cuff estimate of the percentage they make up in the total electorate, I would range them around 6-8%. Yet their candidate usually draws only around 2% of the total vote. Why is it most Libertarians do not vote for their own candidate? I am not a Libertarian, the only political party I ever belonged to was Ross Perot's Reform party and still claim it as my party. But I voted for Johnson and Brown in 2000 and 2004. Why don't those members of the Libertarian Party always seem to vote for someone else?
 
No. Saying he wouldn't vote for the civil rights bills of 1965 were they offered today, is enough for me. Though there are certainly more reasons.

1964 and like everyone else you are wrong due to not understanding property.
 
So even if I show its unjustifed by the working of property, in which I did, than my comment is irrelevant. Good to know you can avoid facts so easily.

Here's what we know.

You have a subjective view that it is unjustified. This could be countered with others who say it is entirely justified. Neither of which matters.

Power is what matters. Those are the facts. Anything else is just more libertarian whining.
 
Would have to see how the campaign goes and what he says...but most likely, yes I'd happily vote for him.
 
You know what the say about close, it only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Yeah, except like always popular sayings are stupid. If the trend is the elections are getting closer there is probably something to it.
 
Here's what we know.

You have a subjective view that it is unjustified. This could be countered with others who say it is entirely justified. Neither of which matters.

Except you didn't prove that in any way shape or form. Restricting use of private property at the say of the owner is not only justified by the basic foundation of how it works, but is also proven by history to one of the reasons we wanted it to protected in the first place in society. Those are both facts and they both without a shadow of a doubt justify discrimination when dealing with ones property. Without it private property simply doesn't exist. Restricting the use of discrimination with ones property is moving towards those ends. All of this is fact.

Power is what matters. Those are the facts. Anything else is just more libertarian whining.

Yes, power matters and what matters more is how it is used. Don't worry your nationalist heart about that little fact though.
 
Except you didn't prove that in any way shape or form. Restricting use of private property at the say of the owner is not only justified by the basic foundation of how it works, but is also proven by history to one of the reasons we wanted it to protected in the first place in society.



Yes, power matters and what matters more is how it is used. Don't worry your nationalist heart about that little fact though.

I did prove it, so did others. If you own a business and you do in fact discriminate on the basis of race, you have trouble. It is enforced by the government, and you will be punished. Your rights are dictated to you by the federal and state governments, nothing else. This means that their declarations on what rights you do and do not have are what matters. Any declaration to the contrary is until that point merely dissent.
 
Rove is planning another huge buy against Judd. We Dems are excited about that.
If we play our cards right with guns and limit the bill to background checks, Landrieu and Pryor will be safe.
Rove going after King in Iowa is splitting the GOP there also.
Harry needs to give them two bills, so Dem gunners can vote no and then yes.
I think that Dem. rep. from Georgia has a chance for Saxby's seat.
And who knows with Cornyn?? It's past time for him to go.

I think you may be right about Georgia, that is if there is a down right brawl for the nomination as I have heard 6 or 7 Representatives are going for Chambliss's seat. Jim Martin came close 6 years ago. It would take a conservative Democrat from the southern portion of Georgia to pull it off. John Barrow comes to mind as one who would have a decent chance. Jim Marshall is another, a Vietnam Vet who was defeated in 2010. Still he is a popular fellow.

I also think your right about Pryor, Landrieu I am not so sure. She has the Obamacare gate still hanging around her neck. Obamacare is still mighty unpopular down here. Iowa should stay Democratic.
 
I did prove it, so did others. If you own a business and you do in fact discriminate on the basis of race, you have trouble. It is enforced by the government, and you will be punished. Your rights are dictated to you by the federal and state governments, nothing else. This means that their declarations on what rights you do and do not have are what matters. Any declaration to the contrary is until that point merely dissent.

Yes, I realize you are a nationalist and so all your basis of realities have to go back to that, but it proves nothing except you can't think beyond a box they created for you. Don't bother to think you won either when you didn't face any of my arguments. That is considered a failure for good reason.
 
Yes, I realize you are a nationalist and so all your basis of realities have to go back to that, but it proves nothing except you can't think beyond a box they created for you. Don't bother to think you won either when you didn't face any of my arguments. That is considered a failure for good reason.

Well then, go on and take your case through the court systems that you believe have been illegitimate since the 1790s. I'm sure you'd find an interested ear. Until then, stop acting like a fool.
 
About Obamacare. Is Louisiana more like Georgia than North Dakota ??
My girl Heidi Heitkamp showed the way in defending Obamacare better than Obama. It takes a woman sometimes.
And in your future home, it will take a village, grasshopper.
I think you may be right about Georgia, that is if there is a down right brawl for the nomination as I have heard 6 or 7 Representatives are going for Chambliss's seat. Jim Martin came close 6 years ago. It would take a conservative Democrat from the southern portion of Georgia to pull it off. John Barrow comes to mind as one who would have a decent chance. Jim Marshall is another, a Vietnam Vet who was defeated in 2010. Still he is a popular fellow.

I also think your right about Pryor, Landrieu I am not so sure. She has the Obamacare gate still hanging around her neck. Obamacare is still mighty unpopular down here. Iowa should stay Democratic.
 
Well then, go on and take your case through the court systems that you believe have been illegitimate since the 1790s. I'm sure you'd find an interested ear. Until then, stop acting like a fool.

Again, no argument. You don't appear to be good at this. Good day.

Btw, it might a good idea to understand how the system works if you are going to lean on it for your argument.
 
About Obamacare. Is Louisiana more like Georgia than North Dakota ??
My girl Heidi Heitkamp showed the way in defending Obamacare better than Obama. It takes a woman sometimes.
And in your future home, it will take a village, grasshopper.

Yes, much more like Georgia, but I think Lousiana has the better governor by a long shot. Heitkamp didn't pull a Landreau on Obamacare. Landreau and Nelson of Nebraska are the two most famous or infamous senators to vote for that bill. Far as I know both states are still fighting Obamacare although it is a losing battle. With Obamacare being fully implemented come January of 2014, I think that issue is one that will resurface with a perhaps vengence. It all depends if it is closer to what the Democrats said it would be or as bad as the GOP said it would be. Up till now, only the good parts have been implemented. Time will tell.
 
Yes, much more like Georgia, but I think Lousiana has the better governor by a long shot. Heitkamp didn't pull a Landreau on Obamacare. Landreau and Nelson of Nebraska are the two most famous or infamous senators to vote for that bill. Far as I know both states are still fighting Obamacare although it is a losing battle. With Obamacare being fully implemented come January of 2014, I think that issue is one that will resurface with a perhaps vengence. It all depends if it is closer to what the Democrats said it would be or as bad as the GOP said it would be. Up till now, only the good parts have been implemented. Time will tell.

Not really, some of the bad parts are already happening. One such example is a mandate that doctor offices and hospitals have certain equipment. I remember talking to a doctor that said he will have to deal with the debt of that equipment for decades to come and another that is closing his doors because of it. A mandate like that should raise the prices of service regardless.
 
How about that Linc idea to have a Democratic convention in the summer of 2014 ??
Especially since our voters are "ethnically challenged" as was recently farted by another republican.
We may not live down 2010 in my lifetime, Pero.
W. Virginia and N. Carolina don't look good for my team in the senate.
Dems better start focusing on the local level and build up plenty of secret money like the pubes.
Yes, much more like Georgia, but I think Lousiana has the better governor by a long shot. Heitkamp didn't pull a Landreau on Obamacare. Landreau and Nelson of Nebraska are the two most famous or infamous senators to vote for that bill. Far as I know both states are still fighting Obamacare although it is a losing battle. With Obamacare being fully implemented come January of 2014, I think that issue is one that will resurface with a perhaps vengence. It all depends if it is closer to what the Democrats said it would be or as bad as the GOP said it would be. Up till now, only the good parts have been implemented. Time will tell.
 
I have ran into quite a lot of Libertarians in my time. If I had to make an off the cuff estimate of the percentage they make up in the total electorate, I would range them around 6-8%. Yet their candidate usually draws only around 2% of the total vote. Why is it most Libertarians do not vote for their own candidate? I am not a Libertarian, the only political party I ever belonged to was Ross Perot's Reform party and still claim it as my party. But I voted for Johnson and Brown in 2000 and 2004. Why don't those members of the Libertarian Party always seem to vote for someone else?

It's the lesser of two evils quandry. ;)
 
1964 and like everyone else you are wrong due to not understanding property.

I cannot improve on this:

All I have done is shown that you do not have a right to discriminate. Government declaration met with government force and societal toleration means whatever incredibly silly comment you have is utterly meaningless.

So I quoted it for truth.
 
Not really, some of the bad parts are already happening. One such example is a mandate that doctor offices and hospitals have certain equipment. I remember talking to a doctor that said he will have to deal with the debt of that equipment for decades to come and another that is closing his doors because of it. A mandate like that should raise the prices of service regardless.

That is probably the case, but for the average American he does not see what goes on behind the scenes of the doctors office. Still, there is much more bad to be implemented than good. I also heard that by 2015 that the U.S. will be short approximate 150,000 doctors and this stat was given prior to Obamacare which will increase patient work load. Not quite sure where I heard this, on the radio perhaps. Maybe you can address it.
 
I have ran into quite a lot of Libertarians in my time. If I had to make an off the cuff estimate of the percentage they make up in the total electorate, I would range them around 6-8%. Yet their candidate usually draws only around 2% of the total vote. Why is it most Libertarians do not vote for their own candidate? I am not a Libertarian, the only political party I ever belonged to was Ross Perot's Reform party and still claim it as my party. But I voted for Johnson and Brown in 2000 and 2004. Why don't those members of the Libertarian Party always seem to vote for someone else?

I don't usually vote at all libertarian or otherwise and a few other libertarians are the same as me on that. Going out to just waste time voting for someone that will lose is not something people generally find pleasure in. As you said it, its only 6-8% of the population and when you figure in how much most people know about the libertarian candidate its a waste of time to even consider doing. Though, I still do it if I'm feeling like blowing the night away voting for hope that certain night, but usually I don't.
 
they were already blue but let all the libs move out of California and we can take their ninety some electoral votes.

Arizona has a Republican Governor 2 Republican Senators and voted for Romney???? It is one of the most red states in the country.

Could you perhpas open a frickin' book or look at the election returns? California has 55 electoral votes, not 'ninety some'. No wonder you guys can never win an election.
 
Texas in another 10 years? Is it? At the least it will be purple.

Yes, and it scares the hell out of the Republicans.
 
I cannot improve on this:



So I quoted it for truth.

If you are looking for a non argument than you really can't do better than what he offered. Nationalists all seem to be the same though.
 
Nationalists all seem to be the same though.

I know. We conveniently don't take kindly to metaphysical abstractions held by someone on the internet who has it all sorted out, until they step into the real world.
 
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