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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    For me it'd be Ideological Purity on that which is most important to me, up to a certain point. After that point, it comes down to electability.

    Hypothetically, if talking percentages, it'd be something along the lines of suggesting that as long as the guy is about 75% in line with what I think, then electability becomes a bigger concern.

    More specifically, sometimes it's less about general ideology but specific issues AND track record. For example, if I care greatly about reforming entitlements, staunch border control/enforcement, legalization of marijuana, and 2nd amendment protection then someone who rates poorly on those four things to me is not going to get my vote simply because he's more "electable" than the other. This is either based on what the candidate has said on those things...OR what the candidate has shown himself quickly ready to compromise himself on in the past.

    There are also more factors than just ideology and electability that go into my vote. But in a vacuum of just those two....the first hurdle is making it over a certain baseline needed to get my vote in terms of ideology, the second hurdle is to get over a certain hurdle in terms of electability, and as they come down the home stretch it becomes a balancing act of how far each candidate is beyond the minimum requirements for me comparitive to each other.

    If you're someone whose going to make me groan more than cheer, whose going to be voting in favor of more damaging things in my mind than positive things, if you're someone who I just can't rightly feel correct in supporting...then I don't care if you're a 100% guarantee to win, you're not getting my vote. You're not getting my voice as a citizen stating "I support this person and what he chooses to vote for, because I'm giving him the ability to be my voice". If you will act and vote in a way that will leave me typically more happy than upset, but perhaps not AS happy as the other candidate would, but you're significantly more likely to win...Then yes, I'll cast a vote for you. But you have to get past that minimum threshold.

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Can I say neither?

    I want a candidate who has ideas and a desire to do something once elected. I didn't much care for all of Ted Cruz's ideals and political philosophies, but the guy got to Washington and immediately started getting involved. Marco Rubio, same thing. Even Al Franken...as much of a joke as I think he is...he got involved.

    I'm tired of senators and reps who sit around waiting for a reason to make a statement against the other side, never putting forth anything of their own. I myself am not ideologically pure...so finding a candidate who matched my personal ideology who could also get into office? Not gonna happen. But picking somebody just 'cause they're liked by the people isn't smart, either.
    I know there are other factors that you consider when choosing a candidate like whether they get things done, but I'm trying to look at these two traits in a vacuum, so in this scenario both candidates would attempt to get involved when in office.

    And obviously in the real world, this doesn't apply to most people on the political spectrum, but if it did, who would you pick? If you had a choice between Tessaesque who could not be elected and Tessaesque-lite who did not believe everything you did, but agreed on most core issues, and had a much greater chance of being elected who would you pick?
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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For me it'd be Ideological Purity on that which is most important to me, up to a certain point. After that point, it comes down to electability.

    Hypothetically, if talking percentages, it'd be something along the lines of suggesting that as long as the guy is about 75% in line with what I think, then electability becomes a bigger concern.

    More specifically, sometimes it's less about general ideology but specific issues AND track record. For example, if I care greatly about reforming entitlements, staunch border control/enforcement, legalization of marijuana, and 2nd amendment protection then someone who rates poorly on those four things to me is not going to get my vote simply because he's more "electable" than the other. This is either based on what the candidate has said on those things...OR what the candidate has shown himself quickly ready to compromise himself on in the past.

    There are also more factors than just ideology and electability that go into my vote. But in a vacuum of just those two....the first hurdle is making it over a certain baseline needed to get my vote in terms of ideology, the second hurdle is to get over a certain hurdle in terms of electability, and as they come down the home stretch it becomes a balancing act of how far each candidate is beyond the minimum requirements for me comparitive to each other.

    If you're someone whose going to make me groan more than cheer, whose going to be voting in favor of more damaging things in my mind than positive things, if you're someone who I just can't rightly feel correct in supporting...then I don't care if you're a 100% guarantee to win, you're not getting my vote. You're not getting my voice as a citizen stating "I support this person and what he chooses to vote for, because I'm giving him the ability to be my voice". If you will act and vote in a way that will leave me typically more happy than upset, but perhaps not AS happy as the other candidate would, but you're significantly more likely to win...Then yes, I'll cast a vote for you. But you have to get past that minimum threshold.
    In this case, I was assuming the second candidate met that threshold. Most Republican primary voters also find the candidate that doesn't quite fit their views acceptable to vote for in the general election. If more moderate Todd Latham were to beat conservative Steve King in the Iowa primary, most King voters would still vote for Latham.

    So in this scenario assume the second candidate met the threshold that you would easily vote for them in the general election, even though they you don't agree with them as much as the first.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    I vote against the incumbent. If there is no incumbent, I vote for the younger one provided he does not wear cuff links. People who wear cuff links are dandies, and I do not support dandy-ism.

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    I never have many choices to begin with when it comes to elections. It was pretty interesting though that in the last couple of presidential elections I had a choice between two people, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, but that isn't usually the case. In most elections I'm usually sitting there hating both candidates and I just decide not to vote in that given election. The reason for this is that I'm looking for someone that understands the problems the country actually faces and understands the basis of liberty in a free society. I never see that pretty much, sadly. Its all personal favors and statist crap from both sides that just makes me ill. You have the in denial fascist on the one side and in the denial planned economy socialist that denies that is a form of socialism on the other side. That is even taking into account they both have certain corporatist attitudes either. Just great, two douchebags that I hate with a passion that can't admit what they are. I either go with the douchebag that hates gays and wants to fight everyone on the planet, or I go with the douchebag that wants to control what I eat, limit my second amendment rights, and limit my property rights while making me pay for every other person on the planet. Great, just great. There is just nothing here to make it worth my while. I would rather kill myself than vote for one these two douchebags.

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never have many choices to begin with when it comes to elections. It was pretty interesting though that in the last couple of presidential elections I had a choice between two people, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, but that isn't usually the case. In most elections I'm usually sitting there hating both candidates and I just decide not to vote in that given election. The reason for this is that I'm looking for someone that understands the problems the country actually faces and understands the basis of liberty in a free society. I never see that pretty much, sadly. Its all personal favors and statist crap from both sides that just makes me ill. You have the in denial fascist on the one side and in the denial planned economy socialist that denies that is a form of socialism on the other side. That is even taking into account they both have certain corporatist attitudes either. Just great, two douchebags that I hate with a passion that can't admit what they are. I either go with the douchebag that hates gays and wants to fight everyone on the planet, or I go with the douchebag that wants to control what I eat, limit my second amendment rights, and limit my property rights while making me pay for every other person on the planet. Great, just great. There is just nothing here to make it worth my while. I would rather kill myself than vote for one these two douchebags.
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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why do you continue to wander in the maze when you can leave at any time?
    I would, but then I would have to attach myself to some other country where I never even get a glimpse of a good candidate/person. At least here there are still people that get it and sometimes those people show up to be voted on.

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I vote against the incumbent. If there is no incumbent, I vote for the younger one provided he does not wear cuff links. People who wear cuff links are dandies, and I do not support dandy-ism.
    How about elitist dandies? I always thought elitists and dandies were one and the same, many TPs seem of that opinion when deriding dems...

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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    My question is then if you were deciding between two candidates which trait would you value more? Electability or ideological purity? Would you choose the candidate whose ideals were closest to your own, even if that candidate would have little chance of getting elected? Or would you go with the one who does not share all of your viewpoints, although they are closer than the main competitor, and has a much better chance of being elected? In general, which do you find more important in a candidate?
    I don't need a candidate whose ideals are close to mine I need one who is likely to get done what I need them to get done and they can't do any of that if they aren't first elected into office. So I would go with Electability over ideological purity.
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    Re: Ideological Purity or Electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    How about elitist dandies? I always thought elitists and dandies were one and the same, many TPs seem of that opinion when deriding dems...
    No. my Congressman is a cufflink wearing dandy and has been since long before he was a Member and he will let GOP, TP, or anybody else with cash in hand feel him up just as long as it keeps him in office I think.

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