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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I don't see how one could be called heterosexual if they are raping young boys... they are bisexual at least.
    No, you misunderstand sexuality. Pedophilia is a mental disorder which is SEPARATE from a regular sexuality like homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality. Therefore, a male pedophile who abuses young boys can CERTAINLY be a heterosexual man.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, you misunderstand sexuality. Pedophilia is a mental disorder which is SEPARATE from a regular sexuality like homosexuality, heterosexuality and bisexuality. Therefore, a male pedophile who abuses young boys can CERTAINLY be a heterosexual man.
    I don't think I agree to be honest. I am sure a lot of people classify it the way you are. If a male is attracted to another person of the male sex, they are homosexual at least partially. Attributing sexuality to a messed up situation is messed up, but I don't think it makes it untrue.

    Having a sexual partnership with little boys has gone WAAAYYY back... it was commonly accepted in Ancient Greece, you could see that if you have read any Plato. There were people then that only preferred men and the younger ones were the most desired. I think since our society is a very "straight" dominate society it screws with those kind of peoples sexuality before, where they may maintain a societal relationship with a women while secretly desiring a little innocent boy that is easily manipulated if no one is around as opposed to an adult one.. Which makes me think there is more to it than just a "mental" illness.

    I would really like for you to consider what I have said. I am interested in seeing a factual retort.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    According to a study from 1993 by Dr. Carole Jenny, in 82% of sexual abuse cases studied during her research, the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child. Here is a quote from the abstract:



    Another study, from 1975, by Dr. Nicholas Groth studied a random group of 175 males convicted of sexual assault against children. The study showed the following:



    With that in mind, it may be more safe for our sons if we remove all heterosexual males from camps and groups like the Boy Scouts and fill them with flaming homosexuals since the former appear to be exceedingly more likely to sexually abuse young children. Do you agree? Would you send your son to camp with heterosexual men given these alarming statistics?
    In fairness, I think for those parents who are concerned, its probably less about fear of sexual abuse and more about an inadvertent positive exemplification of a lifestyle before their impressionable children they honestly believe if followed will lead to negative life consequences and ultimately will displease God.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I don't think I agree to be honest. I am sure a lot of people classify it the way you are. If a male is attracted to another person of the male sex, they are homosexual at least partially.
    First, this is in reference to the true definition of paedophilia; sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Attraction to post-pubescent children is a different issue.

    Paedophiles are generally attracted to characteristics specific to pre-pubescent children - they commonly discard and move on when children they have been abusing get old and begin developing adult features. Men who abuse pre-pubescent generally express no sexual attraction to adult males and are indeed often in a relationship with an adult female (after all, a number of children are abused by their own father).

    Now paedophilia is a complex concept, probably not entirely understood and there are bound to be exceptions and variations but as general principals the above applies. This is why attributing the term homosexual to a paedophile who abuses boys is flawed. Of course, the other obvious reason for avoiding such unconditional link is that this is so often a precursor to condemning homosexuals as paedophiles in general and other such idiocy. While it shouldn't be necessary to account for such things, in non-academic environments like this, it most certainly is.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    There is a south park about this. I love how relevant that show can be on so many issues.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    According to a study from 1993 by Dr. Carole Jenny, in 82% of sexual abuse cases studied during her research, the alleged offender was a heterosexual partner of a close relative of the child. Here is a quote from the abstract:



    Another study, from 1975, by Dr. Nicholas Groth studied a random group of 175 males convicted of sexual assault against children. The study showed the following:



    With that in mind, it may be more safe for our sons if we remove all heterosexual males from camps and groups like the Boy Scouts and fill them with flaming homosexuals since the former appear to be exceedingly more likely to sexually abuse young children. Do you agree? Would you send your son to camp with heterosexual men given these alarming statistics?
    Using this logic, I would presume that you will be petitioning Obama to pass laws to ensure that children are removed from their homes and families to ensure they're not abused.

    After all, liberals like to use the same logic about guns. Guns are the weapon of choice for some murderers, mass or otherwise, ergo, guns must be taken from all, including law abiding citizens.

    Some pedophiles prefer sexually assaulting young family members, ergo, all family members, including law abiding citizens, must be removed from contact with young children related to them.

    There really is no problem with society that the American liberal can't legislate with blanket condemnation and controlled behaviour.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    First, this is in reference to the true definition of paedophilia; sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Attraction to post-pubescent children is a different issue.

    Paedophiles are generally attracted to characteristics specific to pre-pubescent children - they commonly discard and move on when children they have been abusing get old and begin developing adult features. Men who abuse pre-pubescent generally express no sexual attraction to adult males and are indeed often in a relationship with an adult female (after all, a number of children are abused by their own father).

    Now paedophilia is a complex concept, probably not entirely understood and there are bound to be exceptions and variations but as general principals the above applies. This is why attributing the term homosexual to a paedophile who abuses boys is flawed. Of course, the other obvious reason for avoiding such unconditional link is that this is so often a precursor to condemning homosexuals as paedophiles in general and other such idiocy. While it shouldn't be necessary to account for such things, in non-academic environments like this, it most certainly is.
    I think applying the term heterosexual to a Pedophile is equally flawed.

    Like I said before, Pedophilia very well could be the product of a overly "straight"-biased society. Like my example with the ancient Greeks.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I think applying the term heterosexual to a Pedophile is equally flawed.
    I agree. Oddly enough, that doesn't happen anything like as often.

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Like I said before, Pedophilia very well could be the product of a overly "straight"-biased society. Like my example with the ancient Greeks.
    I believe that wasn't strictly paedophilia though. As I said, there is a fundamental difference between attraction to pre-pubescent children and post-pubescent children. That doesn't make either right but they are different.

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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    Clever.

    Hopefully these types of polls can stop now.
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    Re: Would you allow your son to go to a camp with heterosexual leaders and members?

    If the camp, in their brochure, stated that all of the leaders and members were "hetrosexual".......this would make me uneasy, due to its ridiculous strangeness..
    Of course, in real life, this scenario would be ludricrous....and never happen.
    So, off to camp, and end of story...
    And , in reality, this silly sexual business would not be.......
    HOWEVER, I would want to know about any complaints addressed to that camp...Jason....as I recall...
    Last edited by earthworm; 02-07-13 at 01:32 PM.

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