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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am reading a book by James Wesley Rawles, Patriot. It is about the collapse of society and a group of survivalist fighting off roving gangs of looters. The picture he paints is very dark with prisons emptied out and no rule of law. The survivalist stay locked in a steel shuttered house filled with food and water and watch the world around them collapse in riots, rape robbery and murder. I just started the book and it may have a happy ending but it makes me wonder if things got that bad would I even want to survive. So I ask the question of you guys, survive or die, which is preferable?

    By the way James has an interesting survival blog. SurvivalBlog.com


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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    An honorable death is better than a dishonorable life.
    That absolutely captures the philosophy of the Japanese Samurai.
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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    That absolutely captures the philosophy of the Japanese Samurai.
    Along with most any other warrior culture.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Those who think chaos would keep you on your toes would soon discover chaos fatigue. Just as in combat fatigue you can only take so much, no one is an endless fount of brave, unless of course it is on the interwebz...

    Thinking those who have seen an endless parade of loved ones dying are rather clueless what this chaos will do to their loved ones.

    Those who think the chaos world is close to their idea of the world they would like most likely would be the first killed off.

    I tend to agree with American, there maybe areas where total lawlessness breaks out, lets face it most of suburbia is a week away from chaos if goods stop flowing in, BUT there won't be huge regions that lose any sense of order.

    Now the book is a work of fiction and you must suspense disbelief to accept the story line. Some guys in Philly once brought this up, getting out of Dodge when it all goes south. Not likely. One thing I don't think many consider is a great many of the firearms so enshrined as home defense will be used by 1st time criminals looking for food or fuel to save their families. That and most modern houses are not even bullet resistant, much less proof.

    My thought on if a huge region was to go rogue and the surviving parts too weak to restore law and order in the 'Badlands', the marauding bands will get better, not worse off. The weak and the reckless will perish, but the ruthless and skilled will continue. The hordes from the steppes that ran wild in Europe were the product of centuries of warfare on the steppes... some say those who invaded Europe were the LOSERS of the fights for the vast, rather empty steppes. Imagine if the winners came first!

    most the honorable death/dishonorable life talk doesn't follow reality but seems more some community college course coffee discussion.

    Best to just leave it at that.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Along with most any other warrior culture.
    Touche'!

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am reading a book by James Wesley Rawles, Patriot. It is about the collapse of society and a group of survivalist fighting off roving gangs of looters. The picture he paints is very dark with prisons emptied out and no rule of law. The survivalist stay locked in a steel shuttered house filled with food and water and watch the world around them collapse in riots, rape robbery and murder. I just started the book and it may have a happy ending but it makes me wonder if things got that bad would I even want to survive. So I ask the question of you guys, survive or die, which is preferable?

    By the way James has an interesting survival blog. SurvivalBlog.com
    Survive of course....just not in a steel shuttered house. I think people in Utah will survive better than most because they've been preparing for the worst for almost 200 years. Every good Mormon keeps a pantry stocked full and taught how to survive in worst case scenarios. The main difference will be camping, hunting, gardening and pickling will become the norm instead of just for fun and relaxation.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Let me first say that I hope it never comes to it. For My daughters sake as well as the rest of the younger entitled generation. Although my family and I have prepped for a long time we hope we never use the stuff for anything other than camping. That said our prepping group would likely do better than most. We have good food stocks, Hunting weapons, defense weapons, Clothing, Water Stocks & sources, gear. We also have the know how to defend all of those things as I am certain we would be required to do so.

    NotQuiteRight brings up a good point a lot of people overlook. The big city's would be the first to crumble. From the looting to the masses converging on them in search of aid. Once people got in they would be fighting to get out. I believe once you were in it would be impossible to get back out. Bridges can be a real pain and I expect they would be the first thing to get closed. They would at least be the place where gangs would post up in order to rob anyone crossing.

    We would not bug in we would be bugging out. Can't say where to but we would be gone. We spend a great deal of time outdoors in all weather conditions so we are pretty acclimated to being in bad weather. But we do this on our terms not forced. That is the difference. Being forced into this would likely be very depressing. As bad as it would be we would still fight with everything we had to survive. Hopefully there would be good on the other side of whatever issue we faced.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, there would be a dynamic change since the topic of this thread owes its premise to an unspecific calamity. That kind of chaos would not be exciting.
    How wouldn't it be exciting? You'd have to be on your toes!
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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    You do know that Mad Max is just a movie, right?

    The reality is that the real psychopaths who would flourish in this supposed anarchic wasteland are few and far between, and the rest of the population prefers law and order. There is just no realistic scenario where the character of the vast majority of people will suddenly change, nor one where "society will collapse". That only happens in fiction. Just like the fictional world that survivalists base their decisions on.
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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    My hero, Burt Gummer...


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