Yes, survive at all cost
No, better off dead.
There are all kinds of crazy theories about what could happen, but there are a lot of real life things too. For instance I have a basic bag for my family, one of those old monster military duffles that has clothes, food, water, things like that. With where we live, "Hey, the woods are on fire. Get in the truck" is a real possibility. Having what you need right at hand could save your life. Keep in mind societal collapse can be local. How about those people on the east coast who had that hurricane come thru? I heard one on the radio complaining that FEMA didn't have enough water on hand and had to get more. Who doesn't have a water filter? There was water everywhere! And it's not like it snuck up on them, they knew for a week it was coming. These idiots are the dangerous ones. They have nothing, know nothing and have a low ability to be able to think on their feet. I won't go in to how I suspect these people vote, I'm just saying a month after a major disaster conservatives might just be a super majority.
BTW if you have the idea of hitting the road and fleeing the city for the mountains, keep in mind those of us already in the mountains will have to protect the supplies we have. Have a plan and be in contact with the folks who are expecting you. In our county if you don't have a local license plate and we can't contact your huckleberry you won't be getting in. Now, when the armed CERT guy comes to your car door and asks who you are going to see and we can verify you are expected you are golden. Welcome aboard. But short of that no matter how nice a guy you are you are a hazard to the community.
Last edited by tech30528; 02-07-13 at 10:34 AM.
I dunno about human nature, on the one hand so many decry the 'taker' mentality and the slow slide to chaos many think will cause this collapse of order, yet somehow believe in human nature. I guess the idea is those who survive and manage to cobble together some sort of order will be of a certain mindset and that human nature is what it meant.
How it all ends up-
I guess a lot depends on what started the mess. I see many collapses with only the cockroaches surviving. many diseases leaving so few survivors civilization is firmly set back. Funny thing about plagues is depending on how it is transmitted survivalists might be more at risk than more 'urban' folks. The Black Plague wiped out many isolated villages, got past guards at the town gate who turned away human carriers but of course couldn't stop rats. rather large population concentrations survived- monasteries among the most common due to better hygiene, cleanliness and grain storage so rats and fleas were not so common.
My backround is grunt. For me numbers count, a base to operate from matters and a mix of skills in the group an asset. I can see certain farm communities being strong points for what is left of civilization to cling to. These days crops like corn, and wheat are stored in elevators until right before the new harvest- highest price is right before harvest and many elevators keep at least half capacity in old crop to take advantage of that pricing. So these places will have a strong bargaining chip in trade, gaining 'troops' for defense and paying outlying farmstead outposts to be manned as an outer perimeter and guard stations to help protect the cropland. these communities have rather healthy amounts of fuel in storage vs the population due to the needs of modern agriculture so that is a plus. The farm supply stores have barbed wire and T-posts to help fortify the town, small welding/repair shops to fabricate fixtures for the strongpoints and perhaps a few 'tin-clad' vehicles.
The ability both in supplies and equipment to build fortifications, supplies to last through a lean time for food, a cadre population with a strong attachment to the town and surrounding areas, the ability to sort through refugees to decide who can help in the town defense...
Politically I see a far less democratic form but still not 'martial', more like an EYE-talian city state where a gaggle of rich old men and their families run the town with outlying 'barons' formed from the larger farmer clans we have around here. There is a grandfather with at least 3 of his sons living within eyesight of each other out there, a nice repair shop and rather large grain storage, equipment to build strongpoints, local fuel storage....
ahhh not that I have given this much thought ya understand...
"Roads" out there are random and unmarked. Vehicles throw dust, even moving slowly.
Everybody would just take cover up in the rocks and make it very unpleasant for any invaders. Massive terrain advantage. A group with military weapons would be a problem. But starving hordes of city dwellers would NEVER come out there in the first place. No open water anywhere. No city power wells would be functioning either. Ours are solar powered and there's over a thousand gallons in tanks.
Last I checked there was at least 6 months of food. Plus they know what native plants to eat and keep chickens. Rabbits are plentiful, but have a parasite. Good for the dogs at least in a pinch. Deer are in the mountains nearby. The residents are vegetarian, but not vegan, and of the "seven pounds of grain for a pound of beef" variety. They'll eat meat if thats all there is.
It's not a "survivalist" group. But smart and possessing a broad skill base.
We could do a lot worse.
We just need to get there. If there's warning we'll take our RV. If not, the foot route is already mapped. It would suck, over a hundred miles. That's why we keep our ear to the ground. I'd rather bolt too soon than have to walk. We can always come home from a false alarm.
Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
The Psychology of Persuasion
Next point is the use of most water filters on urban water sources. These water filters filter out certain organisms, dirt and the like but they do not filter out chemicals. Urban water can easily contain many chemicals not found in a mountain stream. I'm not sure I'd be trying to filter and drink it.
There might very well be more 'conservatives' after a huge disaster that devastates large population centers but if they drink a lot of city runoff through water filter straws their kids might have two heads but still only one vote!
Heaven help our nation if ever there is a nationwide disaster and the conservatives are a "super majority".
We need a balance between the conservatives and the liberals, but with both willing to work together.