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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    A) The newer carbon arrows are much more durable than the old aluminums.

    B)In honing my (and others) skills I/we handmade bows using simple hand tools; axe, knife, sand/rocks (for sanding) and sinew for strings. We fashioned arrows from river cane, fletched with turkey feathers and tipped with knapped flint heads…one of my ‘crew’ was successful in harvesting a deer but the rest of us lost interest…but we ALL (4) did make weapons that were deadly enough...when the bullets/powder runs out one must be prepared...it still beats a spear.
    Im sure they are better today than when I used to bowhunt. All things considered...I'll stick to a rifle.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Don't miss the point. I don't think it is going to come down to a lead on lead confrontation. If it does Im thinking the conflict would be far more likely within 100 yards, not in excess. If it is in excess of 100 yards, my ass is finding and shooting from cover. The 45 Carbine is plenty accurate and that it is the same munitions as the handgun means I don't have to carry 22, 45 AND 308 ammo. Yes, the 308 is a better defensive AND hunting weapon...but for weight and mobility...I'll stick with the 22 and 45 combo.

    As for how long a good while is in the mountains...I reckon that would be as long as it needs to be. Kinda tough to know considering the circumstances we are talking about. I raised 2 Eagle scouts and taught a whole lot more. I always used to tell them "I don't so much mind it if you ever get lost in the mountains, but if when they find you you don't have a structure built with some form of running water, Ima snatch that eagle patch off your shoulder". Im comfortable in the mountains. Ive spent lots of time in the mountains. Ive done summer and winter survival camps in the mountains. My boys have spent entire summers in the mountains. If **** gets desperate amongst polite society, personally...Id rather be there than here. How far we got, how far we could go on 4 wheels...that all depends on the circumstances. We are already country...so we are halfway there. We have enough camping supplies and materials at any time at our home to support 4-5 families. Just who we are.

    And I want to stress...I DONT think it is likely. The mobile part...that's just not much of a stretch for us.
    Oh I am totally onboard with it isn't going to happen.

    I was just curious about wieght and time spent in the wilderness. I did training in the mountains in the winter, I can honestly say without packed in food I am not surviving long after the last MRE is gone.

    When it comes to weapons and ammo I'd look at it like this, a broke down 22 and ammo for small game, a 308 or I guess a 223 for hunting and defense at the ready and a 45 with a very small amount of ammo for personal defense for the idiot time i wandered too far away from a rifle.

    But I am beginning to see your circumstance, you are not coming out of a high density area, you will not be helping restore order but rather hide and wait for others to do so.... or not.

    That is a trait I have noticed that runs through most survivalists- a hell with everyone else me and mind are going to sit this one out and wait til someone else takes out the trash. not a slam, just noticing.

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    Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh I am totally onboard with it isn't going to happen.

    I was just curious about wieght and time spent in the wilderness. I did training in the mountains in the winter, I can honestly say without packed in food I am not surviving long after the last MRE is gone.

    When it comes to weapons and ammo I'd look at it like this, a broke down 22 and ammo for small game, a 308 or I guess a 223 for hunting and defense at the ready and a 45 with a very small amount of ammo for personal defense for the idiot time i wandered too far away from a rifle.

    But I am beginning to see your circumstance, you are not coming out of a high density area, you will not be helping restore order but rather hide and wait for others to do so.... or not.

    That is a trait I have noticed that runs through most survivalists- a hell with everyone else me and mind are going to sit this one out and wait til someone else takes out the trash. not a slam, just noticing.
    I don't take it as a slam. No...I don't see a whole lot of profit in engaging my family in a civil war. Don't even care to know what that looks like. If it were to ever reach that point, law, order, constitution...lets just say I trust people. I trust them to act on their human nature.

    I think it far more likely in population centers you would see some form of forced "martial law"...for the 'good' of the people. No. I don't really like how that looks.

    Accepting that neither of us see it as a likely scenario, what is your world vision of how it might all end up?

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am reading a book by James Wesley Rawles, Patriot. It is about the collapse of society and a group of survivalist fighting off roving gangs of looters. The picture he paints is very dark with prisons emptied out and no rule of law. The survivalist stay locked in a steel shuttered house filled with food and water and watch the world around them collapse in riots, rape robbery and murder. I just started the book and it may have a happy ending but it makes me wonder if things got that bad would I even want to survive. So I ask the question of you guys, survive or die, which is preferable?

    By the way James has an interesting survival blog. SurvivalBlog.com
    I would rather die when given the choice, but it all depends on my mental state. If society is destroyed beyond repair, all of my family are dead, and there is radiation and violence everywhere (so no real work beyond stealing, and no decent food left); then I definitely would on a matter of ethics and principle. Better to be dead, than betray everything my former life stood for. Unless there are any non-lethal Vault-Tec vaults around.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Survive, hell yeah. I am a survivalist, bring in the apocalypse.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    I would attempt to live as a survivalist if I could learn the necessary skills quickly enough. I don't imagine I would enjoy the existence though, the idea of killing other people (which would likely be a requirement for survival) does not sit well with me morally at all, but I would do it if they were an aggressor and I was in a situation where I had to save my life. Life is still better than death.
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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    It's important to learn these skills and have your supplies before anything happens. And going thru CERT or CERN puts you in contact with a lot of like minded people. If you plan to go it alone you have got to be VERY well trained and have a lot of supplies. But if you are in a group like this you will find people who will want to team up which is far better. There are quite a few over the top preppers in our group, and talk of defensible positions and such can certainly be a little unnerving. But if things get serious it's good to know who you can team with.

    Weapons:

    It varies depending on where you are. I would prefer to have a heavy hitter, but the chances you will need that range and power is subjective. Where I live getting a sightline of over 100 yards is tough. Lot's of terrain, lots of trees. I have a well built 30 cal bolt rifle but I wouldn't want to carry it and the ammo. If you can only have one weapon, hands down the single most useful tool for survival is a 12 gauge shotgun, and they are cheap. I got mine with a collapsible stock for $300 and there are all kinds of rounds from small game to supersonic slugs and some nasty defense rounds, If you are going pistol/ rifle combination get something that uses the same ammo and mags. Someone mentioned a 45 pistol and carbine (probably Mech Tech), that's a good choice. I have a 9mm Glock and a 9mm Keltec Sub2000 (specifically listed in the new assault weapon ban) that will both take the 33 round mags, and the carbine weighs 4 pounds. With the longer barrel length the ballistics on the 9mm round looks more like a .357 SIG. Range is 100- 150 yards.

    On weight:

    Go light and walk with it. You'd be surprised how much the weight can add up and how hard it is to cover ground with it. My 3 day hiking pack here in the Appalachians weighs 17 pounds, we don't consider it a serious day of hiking until after 16 miles, and that is up and over mountains. Hence the lightweight weapons. I'm not lugging 20 pounds of weapon and ammo. But the most important thing is practice, practice, practice.

    I hope I'm not coming off as that crazy paranoid guy,, I don't see myself that way. It's an advantage of being in a group like this, there is always someone more extreme than you are. My duties in this group are medic and scout because I can cover serious ground in a hurry and I have extensive wilderness medical training. I'm much more concerned with helping other people than taking on armed troops. We have those guys too. We'll let them handle the big guns, I'm glad they are on my side. But if you don't know them ahead of time you will be SOL. So don't look at it as a drastic life change, it's all about baby steps. Take a class or two, make some friends and you will feel better about your position every day. Emergencies are just problems you haven't planned for. Once you have gained a couple of skills you will be much more secure whether you are facing a zombie apocalypse or just a communication breakdown that renders your ATM card inoperable. When I see a car accident I don't wish they will be ok, I grab my med bag and make sure they are. You know what the most common disaster most people will see is? Losing a job. Most people don't have more than a week worth of food on hand, and with no income that can be extremely stressful. If you had a month of food saved it's no longer an emergency, and rather than panic you can sit down, relax, and come up with a better plan because you are not trying to put out fires at the same time.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    It's important to learn these skills and have your supplies before anything happens. And going thru CERT or CERN puts you in contact with a lot of like minded people. If you plan to go it alone you have got to be VERY well trained and have a lot of supplies. But if you are in a group like this you will find people who will want to team up which is far better. There are quite a few over the top preppers in our group, and talk of defensible positions and such can certainly be a little unnerving. But if things get serious it's good to know who you can team with.

    Weapons:

    It varies depending on where you are. I would prefer to have a heavy hitter, but the chances you will need that range and power is subjective. Where I live getting a sightline of over 100 yards is tough. Lot's of terrain, lots of trees. I have a well built 30 cal bolt rifle but I wouldn't want to carry it and the ammo. If you can only have one weapon, hands down the single most useful tool for survival is a 12 gauge shotgun, and they are cheap. I got mine with a collapsible stock for $300 and there are all kinds of rounds from small game to supersonic slugs and some nasty defense rounds, If you are going pistol/ rifle combination get something that uses the same ammo and mags. Someone mentioned a 45 pistol and carbine (probably Mech Tech), that's a good choice. I have a 9mm Glock and a 9mm Keltec Sub2000 (specifically listed in the new assault weapon ban) that will both take the 33 round mags, and the carbine weighs 4 pounds. With the longer barrel length the ballistics on the 9mm round looks more like a .357 SIG. Range is 100- 150 yards.

    On weight:

    Go light and walk with it. You'd be surprised how much the weight can add up and how hard it is to cover ground with it. My 3 day hiking pack here in the Appalachians weighs 17 pounds, we don't consider it a serious day of hiking until after 16 miles, and that is up and over mountains. Hence the lightweight weapons. I'm not lugging 20 pounds of weapon and ammo. But the most important thing is practice, practice, practice.

    I hope I'm not coming off as that crazy paranoid guy,, I don't see myself that way. It's an advantage of being in a group like this, there is always someone more extreme than you are. My duties in this group are medic and scout because I can cover serious ground in a hurry and I have extensive wilderness medical training. I'm much more concerned with helping other people than taking on armed troops. We have those guys too. We'll let them handle the big guns, I'm glad they are on my side. But if you don't know them ahead of time you will be SOL. So don't look at it as a drastic life change, it's all about baby steps. Take a class or two, make some friends and you will feel better about your position every day. Emergencies are just problems you haven't planned for. Once you have gained a couple of skills you will be much more secure whether you are facing a zombie apocalypse or just a communication breakdown that renders your ATM card inoperable. When I see a car accident I don't wish they will be ok, I grab my med bag and make sure they are. You know what the most common disaster most people will see is? Losing a job. Most people don't have more than a week worth of food on hand, and with no income that can be extremely stressful. If you had a month of food saved it's no longer an emergency, and rather than panic you can sit down, relax, and come up with a better plan because you are not trying to put out fires at the same time.
    Survivalist, preppers or whatever you want to call them get portrayed as nutty people by our media but you sound very reasonable and lucid. I keep saying I am not a prepper because I don't spend alot of time or energy thinking about it but I did choose a place to live that is extremely remote (3 miles from my nearest neighbor) and one of the many reasons why I chose this location was I feel very safe here. The collapse of society and the potential for roving bands of paramilitary type looting gangs has always been at the back of my mind. Really though I think it is at the back of everyones mind because it seems like most people that visit my place for the first time say something like "can I come live with you when the s*** hits the fan". They say it jokingly but it shows me most everyone thinks about this scenario at least a bit. I have stocked up on guns and ammo but I should pay more attention to a food supply of at least 6 months or so not to mention other essentials-luxury's like toilet paper. Hopefully my remote location with only one way in would keep me isolated from takers or at least make me at the very end of the list, especially after I fall a bunch of trees across my road.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    I'm out of here.

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