Yes, survive at all cost
No, better off dead.
I was just curious about wieght and time spent in the wilderness. I did training in the mountains in the winter, I can honestly say without packed in food I am not surviving long after the last MRE is gone.
When it comes to weapons and ammo I'd look at it like this, a broke down 22 and ammo for small game, a 308 or I guess a 223 for hunting and defense at the ready and a 45 with a very small amount of ammo for personal defense for the idiot time i wandered too far away from a rifle.
But I am beginning to see your circumstance, you are not coming out of a high density area, you will not be helping restore order but rather hide and wait for others to do so.... or not.
That is a trait I have noticed that runs through most survivalists- a hell with everyone else me and mind are going to sit this one out and wait til someone else takes out the trash. not a slam, just noticing.
I think it far more likely in population centers you would see some form of forced "martial law"...for the 'good' of the people. No. I don't really like how that looks.
Accepting that neither of us see it as a likely scenario, what is your world vision of how it might all end up?
Survive, hell yeah. I am a survivalist, bring in the apocalypse.
I would attempt to live as a survivalist if I could learn the necessary skills quickly enough. I don't imagine I would enjoy the existence though, the idea of killing other people (which would likely be a requirement for survival) does not sit well with me morally at all, but I would do it if they were an aggressor and I was in a situation where I had to save my life. Life is still better than death.
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It's important to learn these skills and have your supplies before anything happens. And going thru CERT or CERN puts you in contact with a lot of like minded people. If you plan to go it alone you have got to be VERY well trained and have a lot of supplies. But if you are in a group like this you will find people who will want to team up which is far better. There are quite a few over the top preppers in our group, and talk of defensible positions and such can certainly be a little unnerving. But if things get serious it's good to know who you can team with.
It varies depending on where you are. I would prefer to have a heavy hitter, but the chances you will need that range and power is subjective. Where I live getting a sightline of over 100 yards is tough. Lot's of terrain, lots of trees. I have a well built 30 cal bolt rifle but I wouldn't want to carry it and the ammo. If you can only have one weapon, hands down the single most useful tool for survival is a 12 gauge shotgun, and they are cheap. I got mine with a collapsible stock for $300 and there are all kinds of rounds from small game to supersonic slugs and some nasty defense rounds, If you are going pistol/ rifle combination get something that uses the same ammo and mags. Someone mentioned a 45 pistol and carbine (probably Mech Tech), that's a good choice. I have a 9mm Glock and a 9mm Keltec Sub2000 (specifically listed in the new assault weapon ban) that will both take the 33 round mags, and the carbine weighs 4 pounds. With the longer barrel length the ballistics on the 9mm round looks more like a .357 SIG. Range is 100- 150 yards.
Go light and walk with it. You'd be surprised how much the weight can add up and how hard it is to cover ground with it. My 3 day hiking pack here in the Appalachians weighs 17 pounds, we don't consider it a serious day of hiking until after 16 miles, and that is up and over mountains. Hence the lightweight weapons. I'm not lugging 20 pounds of weapon and ammo. But the most important thing is practice, practice, practice.
I hope I'm not coming off as that crazy paranoid guy,, I don't see myself that way. It's an advantage of being in a group like this, there is always someone more extreme than you are. My duties in this group are medic and scout because I can cover serious ground in a hurry and I have extensive wilderness medical training. I'm much more concerned with helping other people than taking on armed troops. We have those guys too. We'll let them handle the big guns, I'm glad they are on my side. But if you don't know them ahead of time you will be SOL. So don't look at it as a drastic life change, it's all about baby steps. Take a class or two, make some friends and you will feel better about your position every day. Emergencies are just problems you haven't planned for. Once you have gained a couple of skills you will be much more secure whether you are facing a zombie apocalypse or just a communication breakdown that renders your ATM card inoperable. When I see a car accident I don't wish they will be ok, I grab my med bag and make sure they are. You know what the most common disaster most people will see is? Losing a job. Most people don't have more than a week worth of food on hand, and with no income that can be extremely stressful. If you had a month of food saved it's no longer an emergency, and rather than panic you can sit down, relax, and come up with a better plan because you are not trying to put out fires at the same time.
Looks like we may need to expedite our preparations...
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I'm out of here.