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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Living here in the mountains we tend to be pretty well stocked. An ice storm can take out power for days and we live up on a mountain ridge. It's 1/2 mile to a paved road and when the leaves are on the trees you can't see another house. Right now we can see one. Around here there were still militias around until just a few years ago. Since then we have all shifted to Civilian Emergency Response Teams and work in conjunction with FEMA and GEMA. We get a lot of training and even some equipment from them for free. Basicly if there is a disaster they call us and then assume an administrative role and we handle the feet on the ground stuff. The range of things you can learn in a group like this is amazing. I have a food preservation class this Sunday. There is also an instructor level pistol shoot but I can't be in two places at once so I'll miss that one.

    Listen, if you are at all concerned about any of this stuff find out about CERT or CERN teams in your area. You don't have to be "that guy", you can pick and choose what you want to do, but it never hurts to know "that guy". I don't really worry about societal collapse locally, I have about 100 friends in the county who are interested in everybody behaving themselves and getting thru it together.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Obviously I prefer civilization remain as well.

    That's great you had a plan for your mom and good you had a place to be.

    My elders are spread from coast to coast and down south to the bottom of California. Only my parents are in range here. There is no feasible plan for all to survive.

    The idea that it would be entertaining for civilization to collapse, is beyond my understanding. One has only to look to countries like Syria, Somalia, Darfur to see how really exciting chaos is.

    Sorry, I'm such a wet blanket. LOL

    Oh there's no question it would suck.

    Now, I like end-of-civilization books and movies and discussions because I am facinated by human behavior in situations where all the existing rules and structure and support are stripped away. There are people who have told me plainly that the minute there's no more grocery store and no more law and order, they're going total amoral bandit at once. There are other people who will try to continue to behave according to the rules of civilized behavior regardless of the circumstances. Then you have others who will adapt and alter their behavior... but who will resist sacrificing their core principles and fundamental morals strongly. I think the latter group has the best chance of survival for various reasons.

    However, even though I could be referred to as a "prepper" of sorts (argh, what a hideous term to be stuck with), I most emphatically do NOT wish anything of the TEOTWAWKI variety to actually HAPPEN. There's no question it would suck... and even for the well-prepared survival is hardly assured.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh there's no question it would suck.

    Now, I like end-of-civilization books and movies and discussions because I am facinated by human behavior in situations where all the existing rules and structure and support are stripped away. There are people who have told me plainly that the minute there's no more grocery store and no more law and order, they're going total amoral bandit at once. There are other people who will try to continue to behave according to the rules of civilized behavior regardless of the circumstances. Then you have others who will adapt and alter their behavior... but who will resist sacrificing their core principles and fundamental morals strongly. I think the latter group has the best chance of survival for various reasons.

    However, even though I could be referred to as a "prepper" of sorts (argh, what a hideous term to be stuck with), I most emphatically do NOT wish anything of the TEOTWAWKI variety to actually HAPPEN. There's no question it would suck... and even for the well-prepared survival is hardly assured.
    I agree, the discussion is interesting to me too. I've seen a fair number of TEOTWAWKI (terrific way to say it) movies and "enjoyed" them. I just wouldn't want to live through them.

    Human nature is very fascinating. I think those willing to keep to core principles would have a greater chance, too. We survived to this point owing to a sense of community and rules of conduct. Anarchy didn't get us here, that's for sure. That's my reasoning.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It's a reliable weapon, dead nuts accurate, and while it isnt exactly a man stopper, I wouldn't want to get peppered by one.

    We have some rather substantial ordinance at the ranch. I just really don't think we'll ever have to use it. I very much hope not.
    You're damn skippy. Got three of those and, well, a lot of ammo. I'm the local 22 guy, I've spent over a year studying that platform and testing different types of ammo. Testing ranged from production consistency by weigh the accuracy and crono testing to hunting and penetration tests. Once I figured all that out I stock 5 different kinds of ammo from range stock to plinking to defense. I've found some surprising conclusions too. I've found what could only be described as explosive hunting round (they are prefractured hollowpoints that break in to 3 equal sized pieces) to penetrating rounds that consistently go thru 1 1/2 steel drums at 25 yards and remain nearly intact flattening out in to 10mm disc. Everybody should have one. It may be the best survival tool next to a water filter.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Oh there's no question it would suck.

    Now, I like end-of-civilization books and movies and discussions because I am facinated by human behavior in situations where all the existing rules and structure and support are stripped away. There are people who have told me plainly that the minute there's no more grocery store and no more law and order, they're going total amoral bandit at once. There are other people who will try to continue to behave according to the rules of civilized behavior regardless of the circumstances. Then you have others who will adapt and alter their behavior... but who will resist sacrificing their core principles and fundamental morals strongly. I think the latter group has the best chance of survival for various reasons.

    However, even though I could be referred to as a "prepper" of sorts (argh, what a hideous term to be stuck with), I most emphatically do NOT wish anything of the TEOTWAWKI variety to actually HAPPEN. There's no question it would suck... and even for the well-prepared survival is hardly assured.
    The "hockey stick" graphs indicate that this survival option might be more realistic than we'd like to think. Population, Global Warming, Inept Governments, smoke and mirror economies, ad infinitum and the problems all require pro-active solutions. I'm a survivalist and wouldn't really mind going back in time 200 years. C'est la vie!

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I agree, the discussion is interesting to me too. I've seen a fair number of TEOTWAWKI (terrific way to say it) movies and "enjoyed" them. I just wouldn't want to live through them.

    Human nature is very fascinating. I think those willing to keep to core principles would have a greater chance, too. We survived to this point owing to a sense of community and rules of conduct. Anarchy didn't get us here, that's for sure. That's my reasoning.

    Exactly. Humans have always survived through cooperative behavior. Those who go total-amoral are painting a bullseye on their back... both from outraged victims and from any of their own kind they hook up with (there is no honor among thieves).

    Maintaining some core values, while adapting one's behavior to the situation, allows for survival but also for the possibility of trust, which is essential to cooperation... and cooperative behaviors in small to medium size groups is what helped our ancestors to survive in times when there was no grocery store and no 911.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    EMP is a real threat and would have significant repercussions. However, several things heavily mitigate that threat.

    1: Lack of availability of missiles that could deliver an such a pulse.
    2: EMP shielding is effective and relatively cheap. Most key facilities have it.
    3: robust contingency plans that the government has to restore key services.
    To your #2 & 3, from 2010 US EMP Commission's Report to Congress:

    America—at all levels of governance—is unprepared for an EMP attack. Despite the clear recommendations of both the 2004 and 2008 EMP Commissions, U.S. government agencies have not taken planning for their response to an EMP attack out of the theoretical stages. This is especially alarming considering the official consensus on the severity of the threat and on appropriate solutions as articulated by the EMP Commission, the other aforementioned commissions, and the overwhelming majority of the expert community. DHS and DOE have both independently identified the United States’ vulnerability to an EMP attack, but have neither created emergency management plans nor taken action to better protect critical U.S. infrastructure from attack. DOD has begun to adopt the recommendations of the 2004 EMP Commission, but U.S. forces still remain vulnerable. State and local governments remain unaware and unprepared for the threat of an EMP attack.
    http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2...ission-7MB.pdf

    As to your first point on an available missle...? Who REALLY knows?
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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    I think the perfect weapon for such a scenario would be a bow and arrow. Quiet so it doesn't attract unwanted attention, yet accurate and can shoot pretty long distances (like up to 50-60 yards pretty accurately if you're good). The only problem with it is that it is kind of large and bulky. Hmmmm.

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    Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think the perfect weapon for such a scenario would be a bow and arrow. Quiet so it doesn't attract unwanted attention, yet accurate and can shoot pretty long distances (like up to 50-60 yards pretty accurately if you're good). The only problem with it is that it is kind of large and bulky. Hmmmm.
    Arrows don't well withstand multiple uses. I used to bowhunt...but I wouldn't want to trust my life to one for defensive purposes or hunting.

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    Re: Live as a survivalist or die?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Arrows don't well withstand multiple uses. I used to bowhunt...but I wouldn't want to trust my life to one for defensive purposes or hunting.
    Good point. That's something I didn't consider. Well then, I would say probably a handgun (for easier carrying) with a silencer, until you run out of ammunition anyway.

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