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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    No. People have just as much freedom of speech when they do so as groups as when they do so as individuals. To strip away the right of groups of people to lobby is A) to wrongfully deny them the ability to petition their government and B) to place power even more overwhelmingly in the hands of wealthy individuals.




    But I continue to be amused by the people who don't think through the consequences of their actions, and just rant against lobbying. Who Knew TheDemSocialist would want to put a greater concentration of power in the hands of the billionaires?

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Voting is the necessary counterweight to government power, not money.
    If that was accurate, then we wouldn't have money in politics in the first place.

    Media power is the means (currently) through which money exerts its power.
    Yes. And one of the major ways in which it does so IS....... it effects voting

    Money in politics is not necessary. The freedom to say what you want is necessary.
    Yes, and how do you intend to tell your congresscritter what you want without spending resources? How do you intend to organize your neighbors to do so? Are you going to use magic?

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    No. This is pure demagoguery.

    Corporation is just a form of organization. Corporations do not speak, they are inanimate - the people who constitute corporations do. Blocking their right to free speech by blocking the use of corporate funds (or union, or NGO funds, since those are also covered by the famous - and correct - SCOTUS decision) is an attack on freedom of speech, plain and simple.

    (It is interesting, by the way, that opponents of Citizens United pretend not to understand how limiting spending on speech to personal checking accounts would have exactly the effect of disenfranchising the "little guy": Soros and Koch can spend (and do spend) much more on supporting their views than you or I ever could).
    Is it right that so-called free speech should have such a high cost ?..

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Is it right that so-called free speech should have such a high cost ?..
    Comparing to what?

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Is it right that so-called free speech should have such a high cost ?..


    The only thing free on this planet is the air. And it's not always worth the price.



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