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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Regarless of the constitutionality of money as speech, I am convinced that allowing money to influence politics is not condusive to a democratic society. If it is decided that the constition allows unlimited contributions to the political process then the influence of that money will destroy the value of my vote. It will create a condition of "wealth is right" just like the old saying "might is right."

    Yes this is not on the same side of the arguement as my last posting. Showing my true centrist ideals, I have contradictory feelings about this issue.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Regarless of the constitutionality of money as speech, I am convinced that allowing money to influence politics is not condusive to a democratic society. If it is decided that the constition allows unlimited contributions to the political process then the influence of that money will destroy the value of my vote. It will create a condition of "wealth is right" just like the old saying "might is right."

    Yes this is not on the same side of the arguement as my last posting. Showing my true centrist ideals, I have contradictory feelings about this issue.
    Money is the necessary counterweight to government and media power. Attempts to limit money in politics are attempts to ration and limit political speech.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Money is the necessary counterweight to government and media power. Attempts to limit money in politics are attempts to ration and limit political speech.
    Voting is the necessary counterweight to government power, not money. Media power is the means (currently) through which money exerts its power. Money in politics is not necessary. The freedom to say what you want is necessary. Allowing money to dictate whos voice gets out is not democratic in any way.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    Voting is the necessary counterweight to government power, not money. Media power is the means (currently) through which money exerts its power. Money in politics is not necessary. The freedom to say what you want is necessary. Allowing money to dictate whos voice gets out is not democratic in any way.
    Money permits those not favored by the government or media to make their voices heard. It is a bulwark of free politics.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Money permits those not favored by the government or media to make their voices heard. It is a bulwark of free politics.
    What permits those without millions of dollars, and not favored by the government or media, to make their voices heard?

    Americas democracy is based on a system of checks and balances. What is the check and balance on huge monetary contributions exerting its will on the government or the media?

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    What permits those without millions of dollars, and not favored by the government or media, to make their voices heard?

    Americas democracy is based on a system of checks and balances. What is the check and balance on huge monetary contributions exerting its will on the government or the media?
    The "huge monetary contributions" are found across the political spectrum and ensure that no faction can monopolize the debate.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The "huge monetary contributions" are found across the political spectrum and ensure that no faction can monopolize the debate.
    I am not Democrat or Republican. There has never been $100 million spent to support my point of view. Apparently your last statement is wrong.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    I should say that this is why I disagree with your statement rather than the contentious "statement is wrong."

    By the way, has been the most pleasant exchange I have had while disagreeing with someone on this site. Cheers to your ability to avoid name calling and other less than intelligent discussion strategies.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    I am not Democrat or Republican. There has never been $100 million spent to support my point of view. Apparently your last statement is wrong.
    Perhaps your point of view has not been lavishly funded, but the fact that money has kept alternative points of view in play has created political open space for your point of view.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    I should say that this is why I disagree with your statement rather than the contentious "statement is wrong."

    By the way, has been the most pleasant exchange I have had while disagreeing with someone on this site. Cheers to your ability to avoid name calling and other less than intelligent discussion strategies.
    Thank you. Same to you.
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