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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    While we are at it lets add flag burning,
    Expression

    bogarting public spaces for a lengthy amount of time,
    Isnt this illegal? Remember OWS?

    trying to shout down others,
    How would you even put yelling on here?

    crowding the front of businesses in order to prevent them from operating efficiently,
    Citibank Arrests - YouTube

    Yea...

    chaining yourself to doors or something else and etc to that list of stuff that shouldn't be considered speech.
    Remember in the good ol USA it isnt considered free speech. Ask yourself why they always get arrested....


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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Expression
    The 1st amendment doesn't say anything about expression. Speech is the articulation of words whether its verbal,written or sign languaged.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech


    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: speech
    1.
    a. The faculty or act of speaking.
    b. The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words.
    2.
    a. What is spoken or expressed, as in conversation; uttered or written words: seditious speech.
    b. A talk or public address, or a written copy of this: The senator gave a speech.
    3.
    a. The language or dialect of a nation or region: American speech.
    b. One's manner or style of speaking: the mayor's mumbling speech.
    4. The study of oral communication, speech sounds, and vocal physiology.



    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: expression
    1. The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words, art, music, or movement; a manifestation: an expression of rural values.
    2. Something that expresses or communicates: Let this plaque serve as an expression of our esteem.
    3. Mathematics A symbol or combination of symbols that represents a quantity or a relationship between quantities.
    4. The manner in which one expresses oneself, especially in speaking, depicting, or performing.
    5. A particular word or phrase: "an old Yankee expression ... 'Stand up and be counted'" (Charles Kuralt).
    6. The outward manifestation of a mood or a disposition: My tears are an expression of my grief.
    7. A facial aspect or a look that conveys a special feeling: an expression of scorn.
    8. The act of pressing or squeezing out.
    9. Genetics The act or process of expressing a gene.


    Isnt this illegal? Remember OWS?
    But many people claimed that they had the constitutional right to do that.

    How would you even put yelling on here?
    I am sure someone can come up with something.

    Citibank Arrests - YouTube

    Yea...


    Remember in the good ol USA it isnt considered free speech. Ask yourself why they always get arrested....
    Maybe because they are doing other **** like rioting.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The 1st amendment doesn't say anything about expression. Speech is the articulation of words whether its verbal,written or sign languaged.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech


    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: speech
    1.
    a. The faculty or act of speaking.
    b. The faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words.
    2.
    a. What is spoken or expressed, as in conversation; uttered or written words: seditious speech.
    b. A talk or public address, or a written copy of this: The senator gave a speech.
    3.
    a. The language or dialect of a nation or region: American speech.
    b. One's manner or style of speaking: the mayor's mumbling speech.
    4. The study of oral communication, speech sounds, and vocal physiology.



    American Heritage Dictionary Entry: expression
    1. The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words, art, music, or movement; a manifestation: an expression of rural values.
    2. Something that expresses or communicates: Let this plaque serve as an expression of our esteem.
    3. Mathematics A symbol or combination of symbols that represents a quantity or a relationship between quantities.
    4. The manner in which one expresses oneself, especially in speaking, depicting, or performing.
    5. A particular word or phrase: "an old Yankee expression ... 'Stand up and be counted'" (Charles Kuralt).
    6. The outward manifestation of a mood or a disposition: My tears are an expression of my grief.
    7. A facial aspect or a look that conveys a special feeling: an expression of scorn.
    8. The act of pressing or squeezing out.
    9. Genetics The act or process of expressing a gene.

    Well you do realize that your definition of expression backs up what i said right?
    "The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words"

    But many people claimed that they had the constitutional right to do that.
    Well according to the first amendment: "The right to peacefully assemble".. As long as your peacefully "bogarting public spaces" i guess its fair game.


    I am sure someone can come up with something.
    Can you?



    Maybe because they are doing other **** like rioting.
    Man they were really rioting in that video. Everyone all calm standing around inside and outside of the bank. Crazy riot that was


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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well you do realize that your definition of expression backs up what i said right?
    "The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words"
    That definition does not back up what you say.If you were talking about writing or talking about flag burning then you would be correct. Articulating something in words and burning something are two different things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That definition does not back up what you say.
    You said speech and expression are not the same. The definition of expression includes speech!

    If you were talking about writing or talking about flag burning then you would be correct. Articulating something in words and burning something are two different things.
    What about the rest of the post?
    How was that video a riot?
    And can you come up with something about yelling?


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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You said speech and expression are not the same. The definition of expression includes speech!
    They are not the same. Speech is something that has to be in words.Expression does not have have to be in words.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That definition does not back up what you say.If you were talking about writing or talking about flag burning then you would be correct. Articulating something in words and burning something are two different things.
    I agree, to me flag burning is an action, not speech.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    The amendments are nothing more than attempts to limit and ration free political speech. They should be opposed.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Can't help but remember President Eisenhower's warning -

    "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They are not the same. Speech is something that has to be in words.Expression does not have have to be in words.
    Fair enough.
    But just about every constitutional scholar agrees that expression is covered under the first amendment.

    Also yet again you fail to comment or answer any of the other points or questions i have posted.


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