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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Absolutely. This is the 'small-government' position on the issue.
    So limiting speech is a small government position?

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So limiting speech is a small government position?
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    I can't stand lobbyist. I hate that corporations buy votes.

    I would be all for eliminating it if we could make a bill or amendment with DIRECT language. Nothing that could be misinterpreted.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I can't stand lobbyist. I hate that corporations buy votes.
    Overturning Citizens United would give lobbyists more influence, not less. The money that would be spent on publishing or broadcasting political positions (open to analysis and objections) would go straight to "our guy in Washington".

    Besides, people tend to imagine some big bank or oil company, when the word "corporation" is used. But Citizens United does not protect the rights of people at large corporations only. A company I consult for had paid for a political ad in a local newspaper last October. It is a start-up with small-scale manufacturing on premises, and they would be hurt badly by zoning manipulations one of candidates was proposing. There are 6 people in the company, none of them rich, as far as I can tell. They do not have money in their pockets; all they have is the corporate account, created with venture capital. Blocking its use would mean shutting these people up. End of story.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you support this amendment?
    Yes? No? Why?

    Video @: [/FONT]http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/7003/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12682
    While we are at it lets add flag burning, bogarting public spaces for a lengthy amount of time, trying to shout down others, crowding the front of businesses in order to prevent them from operating efficiently,chaining yourself to doors or something else and etc to that list of stuff that shouldn't be considered speech.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do you support this amendment?
    Yes? No? Why?

    Video @: [/FONT]http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/7003/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=12682

    You would think people of all political persuasions would support these amendments!
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    A corporation is a group of people, just like a union, a football team or a Rock & Roll band.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    If money isn't speech, then time isn't speech. Let's limit the amount of time that people can discuss politics. This won't infringe on free speech, because time isn't speech.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The idea of Corporate personhood disgusts me. Yes to the second resolution.

    First resolution I'm all for as well, lobbying should be a Federal crime. Only way you should be able to buy a politicians favour is with votes.
    I would differentiate between the core idea of lobbying, and campaign contributions. Groups should absolutely be able to speak to advance their positions, and represent an interest in an issue. But they should have to do it with words, not with money.

    Part of the problem is that donations are no longer the main issue. SuperPACs don't need to contribute to a campaign. They function as secondary campaigns on their own. In order to truly combat the problem, there would need to be controls on individual expenditures, too.

    I like the ideas in these amendments, though to truly combat the corruption in our elections, oversight and limitations on the electoral process would need to be enacted. Only totally publicly funded elections can hope to over come the unbalanced influence of wealthy interests.
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    Re: Do you Support the McGovern amendments? (money isnt free speech amendment)

    We have in this country a wonderful way of alleviating the influence of money in politics. It is called the vote. The Koch Bros. can buy all the politicians they want to. I simply don't vote for them. The solution to the problem is higher intelligence of the electorate...****, were doomed!!

    Living in CA I have to decide how to vote on propositions that cannot be understood even if you have a law degree. I don't have time to study these props that are intentionally written to confuse and fatigue anyone trying to make sense of them. I have a standard way of voting. I watch which side spends the most money and vote the other way.

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