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Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

Are Nazis or Communists worse?


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Of course the state dominates, that is pretty much the definition of totalitarian, however, in a Communist State, there is no private property nor free enterprise, in a fascist state, private property and free enterprise is encouraged, to the extent it benefits the state. You could call it a distinction without a difference, but that is my overall point, the degreee of totalitarianism is either system is so extreme, the difference to an individual living in either system might be indistinguishable, you behave as the state demands, or the state will kill you.

Yes, I agree. It also might be added that tightly controlled private enterprise was allowed (as we have mentioned before) under the Lenin's New Economic Policy, which continued for longer than the pre-war Nazi rule. The capital-F Fascists probably envisioned their mode of "corporatism" as permanent, but the Hitlerites seemed to be gradually moving closer to the Communist mode, after Hjalmar Schacht and other moderates have lost their positions by 1937
The Four-Year Plan of 1936, with Hermann Goering installed as an absolute economic dictator, sure looks pretty damn Soviet.
 
That's like asking, if I prefer a dry broom handle or a knife, in the butt.
Either way, I'm not gonna like it at all.

I'm still asking. Choose your sodomy.
 
Huh? Which King Richard?

This thread seems to be descending into the realm of fairy stories.

That is where most politics belong, in the world of fairy tales. It seems to me the wicked witch of the east must be the Democratic Party and the wicked witch of the west the Republican party
 
you seem to forget the other part of my post

You mean, the ludicrous notion that a barbaric, mass-murdering regime that deprived all of its citizens of all their rights had prompted suffrage and social amelioration in the West, out of fear that otherwise people would be attracted to the murderers?

I sort of assumed that this other part was a product of hasty pasting, and then you realized, of course, how stupid it sounds, but the 25 min this site allows for editing were over....
 
Communism, and it's not close. I'd much prefer to live in fascist Italy during the days of Mussolini than either of those two, but Nazi Germany was somewhat successful economically. Not like Italy, but it beats the hell out of the stagnation we refer to as communism.
 
My Sister live in the heart of NYC. My Sister and her husband are part of the 1% (screenwriters, producers and directors) and they love living in NYC even though they own huge amounts of property in Venice Beach CA and do most business with Hollywood. So, NYC communism apparently doesn't bother everyone.

I lived in NYC during the 50s when it was the most dangerous city in America. Now it looks pussified and boring to me;)




Move to New York City for a few months if you really want to know......
 
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mass murdering millions as a GOAL (as opposed to a side effect of stupid policies of Communists) makes me figuratively foam at the moath whenever I meet a Nazi.

I completely agree about the Nazis.

And I completely disagree about the Communists.

It was not "a side effect of stupid policies". It was the very flesh and blood and unholy spirit of Communism: Real, actual, individual people DO NOT MATTER. Abstractions like the "Aryan race" (in the Nazi case) or the "class" (in the Commie case) do.

I recall the old cartoon in a Polish reistsance newspaper, from the time when the Nazis and the Commies attacked Poland in concerted manner, from both sides: A Gestapo thug and an NKVD ghoul are pressing guns into a Polish Jew's belly and back: "So, would you like to be killed for being a subhuman Hebrew ape, or for being a capitalist enemy of the proletariat?"
 
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Communism, and it's not close. I'd much prefer to live in fascist Italy during the days of Mussolini than either of those two, but Nazi Germany was somewhat successful economically. Not like Italy, but it beats the hell out of the stagnation we refer to as communism.

You mean the stagnation we refer to as Communist China?

And please don't say their growth is because they have embraced capitalism, they haven't, they have embraced using their resources to sell to capitalists and thereby transfer wealth from capitalists to communists.

They both suck, and both have examples of sucking more or less than each other, but totalitarian rule is totalitarian rule, and unlesss you enjoy not making choices for yourself, or being able to say what you think out loud, both should be avoided equally.
 
You mean the stagnation we refer to as Communist China?

And please don't say their growth is because they have embraced capitalism, they haven't, they have embraced using their resources to sell to capitalists and thereby transfer wealth from capitalists to communists.

They both suck, and both have examples of sucking more or less than each other, but totalitarian rule is totalitarian rule, and unlesss you enjoy not making choices for yourself, or being able to say what you think out loud, both should be avoided equally.

They haven't "embraced capitalism", but their ability to compete in the geoeconomic market is because they have adopted many capitalist policies. They still lack the freedom individually that capitalist countries allow their populace.
 
They haven't "embraced capitalism", but their ability to compete in the geoeconomic market is because they have adopted many capitalist policies. They still lack the freedom individually that capitalist countries allow their populace.

In other words, they have done what other communist countries have failed to do, be productive. That has always been one of the major knocks against communism (you know, besides the genocide) that their system doesn't allow for market based decision making. Does this mean that as an economic system, the Chinese have made communism successful?

My answer is who cares, it's still totalitarian. Democratic capitalists should not send them a cent. To me, that is like selling SAM's to al Qaeda. yeah, you make a buck now, but it's going to cost you later.
 
Franco wasn't a real fascist, especially once WW2 ended, he was more socialist than ever.

He was fascist lite for sure, compared to the others, but fascist nonetheless. After WWII, it's not like he could have went anywhere with it. Europe had enough of that ****.
 
They are both authoritarian statist systems. Don't see much of a difference, though Communism at least has a non-state form.
 
He was fascist lite for sure, compared to the others, but fascist nonetheless. After WWII, it's not like he could have went anywhere with it. Europe had enough of that ****.

Franco was more of an authoritarian, nationalist, Catholic conservative, although he used many fascist methods and rhetoric.
 
Which of the two listed above are worse for you?

Me? Nazis without a doubt.

The politically correct answer is Nazis. The real answer to how it applies to us today is Communists.

Nazis have been reduced to a joke. Their handful of idiotic followers still have the power to idiotic and terrible things on a small scale, but they are... a joke.

Communists? How many morons run around with Che T-shirts? Celebrating a psychopath? How many think Communists should be gotten along with? A whole lot... and anyone around before Reagan knows how deep the sympathies lie in our "media" for this group of derelicts.

Communists killed more people than Nazis. They killed millions upon millions including Jews. I believe they killed more Jews than Hitler. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Socialism... a parasitic derivative of Communism is still in existence and promoted by political parties around the world; the NDP in Canada, Democrats in America, Europe is awash in the idiocy... and it is destructive, and appealing because you don't need much of a brain to be a supporter. It's an intellectually and morally bankrupt philosophy for the intellectually lazy that causes misery.

So... Communism and it's perverted cousin Socialism are worse... because it should be a joke like Nazism... but it's not.
 
I'm still asking. Choose your sodomy.

The Nazi's would kill me based on my family heritage and the communists may cause me to die based on their foolish policies.
In either case, I'd have to try to escape.

I guess it depends on who I have a greater chance of escaping from.
 
The politically correct answer is Nazis. The real answer to how it applies to us today is Communists.

Nazis have been reduced to a joke. Their handful of idiotic followers still have the power to idiotic and terrible things on a small scale, but they are... a joke.

Communists? How many morons run around with Che T-shirts? Celebrating a psychopath? How many think Communists should be gotten along with? A whole lot... and anyone around before Reagan knows how deep the sympathies lie in our "media" for this group of derelicts.

Communists killed more people than Nazis. They killed millions upon millions including Jews. I believe they killed more Jews than Hitler. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

Socialism... a parasitic derivative of Communism is still in existence and promoted by political parties around the world; the NDP in Canada, Democrats in America, Europe is awash in the idiocy... and it is destructive, and appealing because you don't need much of a brain to be a supporter. It's an intellectually and morally bankrupt philosophy for the intellectually lazy that causes misery.

So... Communism and it's perverted cousin Socialism are worse... because it should be a joke like Nazism... but it's not.

You do understand that comparing neo nazis to the real nazis is quite a silly thing to do... just like comparing teenage kids with a rebelious streak to communists who overturned governments, really big and powerful governments, is quite silly.

You can't go by their present day dumbed down diminutives in society. You have to by the real deal. And the real deal is that the communists (communist leaders and proponents, not your everyday joe) were the worst people who ever plagued our lands and communism is the worst ideology.
 
The Nazi's would kill me based on my family heritage and the communists may cause me to die based on their foolish policies.
In either case, I'd have to try to escape.

I guess it depends on who I have a greater chance of escaping from.

Hm, that's a different angle on the question: Which regime could you live under more comfortably?

I guess my answer would still be that the Nazis are worse. They might get the idea of euthanizing me for mental problems. The commies in East Germany would probably just have thrown me in prison.
 
Hm, that's a different angle on the question: Which regime could you live under more comfortably?

I guess my answer would still be that the Nazis are worse. They might get the idea of euthanizing me for mental problems. The commies in East Germany would probably just have thrown me in prison.

Either way, I don't think my chances of surviving under either regime would be good.
I'd have to escape.
 
Socialism... a parasitic derivative of Communism is still in existence and promoted by political parties around the world; the NDP in Canada, Democrats in America, Europe is awash in the idiocy... and it is destructive, and appealing because you don't need much of a brain to be a supporter. It's an intellectually and morally bankrupt philosophy for the intellectually lazy that causes misery.

So... Communism and it's perverted cousin Socialism are worse... because it should be a joke like Nazism... but it's not.

Just to be clear, socialism is not a perverted form of communism, but rather is/was intended as the final goal of communism with communism being an intermediate step between capitalism/feudalism and socialism. The theoretical idea of communism is to use totalitarian rule to bring the society to a state of unicornian blissfullness, and then the government can step out of the way and allow the perpetual perfection of socialism to function until the sun explodes.

I'd suggest reading Marx if you want to know what the original hoopla was all about.

In any case, every country on earth is now a mix of socialism and capitalism, except of course the few actual communists, who we buy all our stuff from to fund their desired eventual global hedgemony.
 
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You do understand that comparing neo nazis to the real nazis is quite a silly thing to do... just like comparing teenage kids with a rebelious streak to communists who overturned governments, really big and powerful governments, is quite silly.
You did notice I said Nazi's have been reduced to a joke? You have noticed today's Nazis worship Hitler and all he stood for? You do realize Hitler started small, after WWI and played all manner of "istic" cards? I'll stand by what I wrote. That idiocy doesn't play today. It's been reduced to a joke.
You can't go by their present day dumbed down diminutives in society. You have to by the real deal. And the real deal is that the communists (communist leaders and proponents, not your everyday joe) were the worst people who ever plagued our lands and communism is the worst ideology.
I did say Communists and their sick cousins... Socialists are worse because they still exist and are promoted by the media. Or did you miss that?
 
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Just to be clear, socialism is not a perverted form of communism, but rather is/was intended as the final goal of communism with communism being an intermediate step between capitalism/feudalism and socialism. The theoretical idea of communism is to use totalitarian rule to bring the society to a state of unicornian blissfullness, and then the government can step out of the way and allow the perpetual perfection of socialism to function until the sun explodes.

I'd suggest reading Marx if you want to know what the original hoopla was all about.

In any case, every country on earth is now a mix of socialism and capitalism, except of course the few actual communists, who we buy all our stuff from to fund their desired eventual global hedgemony.

The idea that socialism is the transitional state in the evolution of society into a communist society is only one interpretation of the term. Socialism as a concept pre-dates Marx by some centuries. The Levellers and Diggers in 17th century England and writings by philosophers such as Rousseau, Fourier, de Saint-Simon, Prudhon and Owen all developed ideas of socialism that looked at issues of equality, positivism and anti-individualism that all pre-date the Marxist idea of socialism. The writings of Marx developed many of these ideas, but using his work as the ultimate definer of socialism, as if he is some infallible messiah, is both wrong and probably willfully inaccurate.

I suggest you read something other than Marx is you want to know about the origins of socialist thought.
 
Just to be clear, socialism is not a perverted form of communism, but rather is/was intended as the final goal of communism with communism being an intermediate step between capitalism/feudalism and socialism. The theoretical idea of communism is to use totalitarian rule to bring the society to a state of unicornian blissfullness, and then the government can step out of the way and allow the perpetual perfection of socialism to function until the sun explodes.
Communism is pretty much dead... and Socialists have basically rationalized it away saying it didn't work because the wrong people were in charge. Hence the perverted cousin... Socialism still exists... waiting for better managers to appear to provide their golden touch.



I'd suggest reading Marx if you want to know what the original hoopla was all about.
I've read Marx thanks.

In any case, every country on earth is now a mix of socialism and capitalism...
Oh yes... and as a rule... the greater the amount of Socialism injected into the system, the sicker the society.

Some are in intensive care... and others are in waiting for their PONZI SCHEMES to blow up in their faces. Many have been trying to reduce the amount of socialism... but taking away candy is a tough job, especially when the press believes in candy.

It will be interesting when the last baby boomers retire in 15-years to see how the following generations put up with funding promises made to those tax payers and the socialist Ponzi Schemes they paid into. Those boomers (1945-63) may finish retiring in 2028, but their massive burden on the government (taxpayers) will live on for decades. The question is... how badly will they get screwed? If socialism works... they won't be screwed... ROTFLOL...
 
Communism is pretty much dead... and Socialists have basically rationalized it away saying it didn't work because the wrong people were in charge. Hence the perverted cousin... Socialism still exists... waiting for better managers to appear to provide their golden touch.




I've read Marx thanks.


Oh yes... and as a rule... the greater the amount of Socialism injected into the system, the sicker the society.

Some are in intensive care... and others are in waiting for their PONZI SCHEMES to blow up in their faces. Many have been trying to reduce the amount of socialism... but taking away candy is a tough job, especially when the press believes in candy.

It will be interesting when the last baby boomers retire in 15-years to see how the following generations put up with funding promises made to those tax payers and the socialist Ponzi Schemes they paid into. Those boomers (1945-63) may finish retiring in 2028, but their massive burden on the government (taxpayers) will live on for decades. The question is... how badly will they get screwed? If socialism works... they won't be screwed... ROTFLOL...

Communism is not dead, I wish it were. We are sending our dollars to a Communist country every day and moving towards a situation where we are are surpassed by a Communist country as the largest economy in the world.

Socialism doesn't work, but then again, capitalism doesn't work either. A sustainable balance can work, but that's not easy. Social Security is a very good example. It was thought to be a good idea at the time, and logically, it did not seem impossible to fund it in perpetuity, but you're right, they missed the demographic equation. they did not think about the consequences of a smaller workforce having to pay for a larger retiree population. I am sure you would agree that this is a great reason why people's retirement savings should be paid for with their own money. That way it doesn't matter how large the population, or the altering ratios of retirees to workers.
 
Stalin was a monster (also State Capitalist, but that's another story). All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of communism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.
 
Communism is not dead, I wish it were. We are sending our dollars to a Communist country every day and moving towards a situation where we are are surpassed by a Communist country as the largest economy in the world.

Socialism doesn't work, but then again, capitalism doesn't work either. A sustainable balance can work, but that's not easy. Social Security is a very good example. It was thought to be a good idea at the time, and logically, it did not seem impossible to fund it in perpetuity, but you're right, they missed the demographic equation. they did not think about the consequences of a smaller workforce having to pay for a larger retiree population. I am sure you would agree that this is a great reason why people's retirement savings should be paid for with their own money. That way it doesn't matter how large the population, or the altering ratios of retirees to workers.
China isn't communist. They are state-controlled capitalist. The heart of socialism and communism is worker control of production. Something that never happened in the USSR, Cuba, China, and such
 
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