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Thread: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Hitler got his ideas from a great deal of pseudo-science peddled during the late nineteenth century. Many progressives may have adopted these beliefs, but to say that progressivism and racism are inextricably linked is to ignore history.
    Obviously, you know little about the roots of American Progressivism.

    One of it's largest advocates, Woodrow Wilson, was an avid racist, and eugenics was ALL ABOUT sterilizing "inferior folks" like the Irish and the Italians.............

    While you're at it, maybe you should do some research on Margaret Sanger, the "mother" of birth control, and her views on race.....

    Another "sterling" progressive.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Obviously, you know little about the roots of American Progressivism.

    One of it's largest advocates, Woodrow Wilson, was an avid racist, and eugenics was ALL ABOUT sterilizing "inferior folks" like the Irish and the Italians.............

    While you're at it, maybe you should do some research on Margaret Sanger, the "mother" of birth control, and her views on race.....

    Another "sterling" progressive.
    You're being facetious. I know a lot about American Progressivism, and I am well aware of the racist views held by many of these people. I also know that this racism did shape many progressives' views. However, to link that immediately with racism does not implicate all progressives or modern progressives. If you don't like progressivism, cool, I'm not a fan either, but you're grasping at straws here.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    All ideologies have evolved, some to positions completely anti-thetical to former positions. Arguing what a progressive was 100 years, or a conservative for that matter, has very little bearing on what each are today.

    On the fascism/communism question, I don't think there is a hair of difference between them. In either case, if the government doesn't like you, they'll kill you. The rest of it is just details. I don't think of a left right spectrum, but rather a circle, find the exact top of the circle and that would be perfect individual liberty (not that this is a good thing humna nature being what it is) and at the very bottom, you would have complete totalitarian control over aspect of human life. The ideal can be be in either direction, left or right, but closer to the East/West points on the circle. The East point version of Communism is democratic socialism, which can work out alright, and on the West point, you'd have a more capitalistic democracy, but being in the center, they would likely share many traits.

    The problem is when you go to far in ANY direction. Unfettered capitalism doesn't create free markets with consumer voting at the retail ballot box, it creates government captured by moneyed interests. On the other side, if the workers hold too much sway over industry, they will crush it with demands. Balance is the key.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    This is such a fail poll.

    If more movies would come out of holywood depicting the communists as the bad guys instead of having every other year a big nazi film awarded with countless prizes for no good reason, more people would vote communist.

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    Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    My grand dad used to say hitler was the best thing PR-wise to happen to the far left.

    Anyway you're comparing a specific brand of fascism to the entire spectrum of communism. Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. Hitler was. Castro isnt as bad as any of the afore mentioned guys.

    It's not really a fair comparison, you should compare specific kinds of ideology. but thanks to Hitler communism had a greater opportunity to wreck people's lives worldwide.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Though I will say your argument above does read like the no true Scottsman fallacy. And regardless if you agree with their interp of communism (I don't), or not, that is how they still defined themselves
    It's not a No True Scotsman argument. Communists are all capable of behaving badly, as are followers of any ideology. My point is more that, unlike Nazism, communism is a very broad, woolly concept. those that may call themselves communist might be applying theories from a very wide range of philosophers, not just Marx and Engels. They all have their own theories and remedies and some of those will be, and have been, wildly destructive. Some others will not be.

    Compare this situation with, for example, The Crusades. people did horrific acts in the name of Christ. Did that mean that Christianity as a philosophy is evil? Is pointing out that the acts of those crusaders is not compatible with 'true' Christianity engaging in a No True Scotsman argument? I'd argue it isn't, even though there were many, many Christian leaders providing apologia for the slaughter.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Fascism > Communism

    Both are simply competing versions of socialism, but I'll take the one that at least featured some ability of the individual to "own" property.

    Mind you, both are evil and deserve rebellion and overthrow.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not a No True Scotsman argument. Communists are all capable of behaving badly, as are followers of any ideology. My point is more that, unlike Nazism, communism is a very broad, woolly concept. those that may call themselves communist might be applying theories from a very wide range of philosophers, not just Marx and Engels. They all have their own theories and remedies and some of those will be, and have been, wildly destructive. Some others will not be.
    I don't disagree that communism is a pretty broad political philosophy. And as I said, my original intent was to point out the rather large percentage of the population liquidated by the KM



    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Compare this situation with, for example, The Crusades. people did horrific acts in the name of Christ. Did that mean that Christianity as a philosophy is evil?
    Again, I think you are misinterpreting the intent of my post. Someone mentioned the numbers of individual killed by Hilter, the KM, and Stalin. My point was that the KM killed a much higher percentage of the cambodian population than both those individuals and movements, and never tried to associate that number with communists in general.

    basically, it wasn't a dig at communism, but an attempt to highlight the immense scale of killing in Cambodia

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Is pointing out that the acts of those crusaders is not compatible with 'true' Christianity engaging in a No True Scotsman argument? I'd argue it isn't, even though there were many, many Christian leaders providing apologia for the slaughter.
    In a sense, yes. Because Christianity seems rather broadly interpreted, and there isn't really a "true" Christianity.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

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    I agree. Nazis. The Nazis were led by an insane man whose goals were anathema to civilized society throughout the world: anti-Semitism and Aryan Supremacy.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    all of you forget the wild capitalism which seems so democratic to us .......
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