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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which were the Japanese?
    Which came first?
    What agreements did they have with each other?
    The Japanese were weird. Theocracy seems to fit the bill best. The total devotion to their religion, through the Emperor as their deity.

    Communism as an ideology and practise came first, but not by far. The USSR was official created in 1924, while Fascism's first, Mussolini came to power in 1925. Hitler got power in 1933 with is own extreme sort of Fascism, what is now known as Nazism.

    On one and only agreement between Communism and Nazism is Totalitarianism. The total and utter rule of the people, controlling every aspect of their lives. Other than that, they are polar opposite.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post

    Nonsense.

    Is North Korea Conservative?

    Is there a more nationalistic place in the world?

    Hitler HATED the wealthy land owners in Germany, as well..........

    Here, educate yourself.........
    It depends upon how we define conservative. If we take the textbook definition, resistant to change, the Korean Workers Party would fit the bill; they have refused to tolerate even the idea of reform for over 60 years. If we are going to take your definition, this is in the context of the West's "right" then no, of course they aren't conservative. The North Korean regime's ideology is pro-North-Korean-regime-staying-in-power-ism. They certainly aren't Marxist, at least not in practice. They mostly just care about entrenching their own power and crushing opposition before it becomes a problem. In this regard they are similar to the Nazis. Nazis, as well as all totalitarians, are only interested in putting the power of the state above all else. You can call it "left-wing" or "right-wing" all you want, but doing so would divorce either term from whatever practical meaning they still have. I'll just stick to calling such a system "madness".

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I agree that statist communism and fascism are far more similar than they are diffeent, but calling them left-wing vs right wing is completely arbitrary.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    North Korea's regime is pro-North-Korean-regime-staying-in-power. They certainly aren't Marxist, at least not in practice. They mostly just care about entrenching their own power and crushing opposition before it becomes a problem. In this regard they are similar to the Nazis. Nazis, as well as all totalitarians, are only interested in putting the power of the state above all else. You can call it "left-wing" or "right-wing" all you want, but doing so would divorce either term from whatever practical meaning they still have. I'll just stick to calling such a system "madness".
    Those systems are "Statist," believing in the power of the state over the rights and freedoms of the individual.

    The more so they become, putting the "village" over individual rights, the more left they move.

    In fact, there is very little, from abortion to locking up the land for environmental reasons, to massive Keynesian work projects and gun control, to seperate the policies of the NAZI's from the modern Democrat Party.

    And if you want to see where Hitler's "Brown Shirts" came from, look no further than the "Occu-Pooper" movement, and their virulent anti-Semitic rhetoric.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The Japanese were weird. Theocracy seems to fit the bill best. The total devotion to their religion, through the Emperor as their deity.

    Communism as an ideology and practise came first, but not by far. The USSR was official created in 1924, while Fascism's first, Mussolini came to power in 1925. Hitler got power in 1933 with is own extreme sort of Fascism, what is now known as Nazism.

    On one and only agreement between Communism and Nazism is Totalitarianism. The total and utter rule of the people, controlling every aspect of their lives. Other than that, they are polar opposite.
    Fascism actually involved the state taking a huge role in economic affairs. Mussolini's government controlled prices, wages, industrial policy, and tried economic planning. Hitler's government instituted many social democratic policies. Where the two ideologies differed was on class struggle. The Communists saw the rich and poor in inevitable conflict and sought to side with just the poor. The Fascists attempted to unite people of all classes and give them a single purpose, the strength and unity of the state. The two had very important differences, but they were not polar opposites.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post

    The more so they become, putting the "village" over individual rights, the more left they move.
    No no no no no no! Fascism and consequently Nazism put the Nation above everything and all. In the case of Hitler, the German Nation and is purity and preservation was key to them. You are a German first an foremost.

    With Communism, a similar ideal is found, but no with your Nation, but your social class. Proletariat was to put them selves first and foremost. The Proleteriat transcends borders and Nations. You are part of the Proletariat first, German or whatever later.

    That is a massive difference.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I don't think the question was stated well.......

    Undoubtedly, someone like Jeffrey Dahmer would say "both...."

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Fascism actually involved the state taking a huge role in economic affairs. Mussolini's government controlled prices, wages, industrial policy, and tried economic planning. Hitler's government instituted many social democratic policies. Where the two ideologies differed was on class struggle. The Communists saw the rich and poor in inevitable conflict and sought to side with just the poor. The Fascists attempted to unite people of all classes and give them a single purpose, the strength and unity of the state. The two had very important differences, but they were not polar opposites.
    Poor choice of words on my part, but any two ideologies have similarities. Nazism and Communism though is as different as it gets.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I don't think the question was stated well.......

    Undoubtedly, someone like Jeffrey Dahmer would say "both...."
    My question was stated fine. I am not asking for both, I am asking for whether or not which one you think is worse. I understand many people hate both. I want ONE that you hate more.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    No no no no no no! Fascism and consequently Nazism put the Nation above everything and all. In the case of Hitler, the German Nation and is purity and preservation was key to them. You are a German first an foremost.

    With Communism, a similar ideal is found, but no with your Nation, but your social class. Proletariat was to put them selves first and foremost. The Proleteriat transcends borders and Nations. You are part of the Proletariat first, German or whatever later.

    That is a massive difference.
    Again, the NAZI's didn't do anything the North Koreans don't do when it comes to Nationalism.

    NAZI's are DEFINITELY of the left.....

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Again, the NAZI's didn't do anything the North Koreans don't do when it comes to Nationalism.

    NAZI's are DEFINITELY of the left.....
    This Left-Right scale of political measurement is totally arbitrary. It tells nothing of the actual standing of a party.

    As well, I was commenting on your statement that somehow that the collectivism seen in both Fascism and Communism were the same. I never mention Left-Right politics in my post.
    Last edited by Juiposa; 02-06-13 at 12:02 AM. Reason: typo
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