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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I was being a bit facetious and I honestly can't figure out exactly what we (as a Nation) have become. As a retiree, I'm kind of disconnected even though I read extensively. The opinions tend to overwhelm the facts.



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    Nah, we're much closer to fascism than communism. We just cut out the nasty bits that are most commonly associated with people like Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure the death count is similar when we include the KR. I think they're credited by some with killing more than a 1/4 of the population of Cambodia.
    The KR were responsible for around 1.5 million deaths. They claimed it was communism. It wasn't remotely related to anything to be found in the writings of Marx or Engels. The Kim's also claim to be communists, but they are nationalists and equality isn't anywhere on their agenda.

    I wouldn't really much separate the workings of Mao, Stalin or Hitler by very much other than rhetoric. It's not about left versus right, but tyranny versus humanity.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I was being a bit facetious and I honestly can't figure out exactly what we (as a Nation) have become. As a retiree, I'm kind of disconnected even though I read extensively. The opinions tend to overwhelm the facts.
    I figured. We're a hybrid system. Mixed economy, authoritarian policies here, lenient policies elsewhere, some industries are state controlled, others are "free market", etc. There's no one system we're working from. We aren't capitalist, marxist, fascist, or any other "ist" or "ism", but we take a lot from every one of them. Right now we seem to have a strong lean towards fascism, imo. Ten years from now, who knows what socioeconomic structure we'll be leaning most towards.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The KR were responsible for around 1.5 million deaths. They claimed it was communism. It wasn't remotely related to anything to be found in the writings of Marx or Engels. The Kim's also claim to be communists, but they are nationalists and equality isn't anywhere on their agenda.

    I wouldn't really much separate the workings of Mao, Stalin or Hitler by very much other than rhetoric. It's not about left versus right, but tyranny versus humanity.
    I wasn't really claiming the killing in cambodia was the work of communism, just that what the KR accomplished, When considering demographics, far out strips the nazis and Stalin.

    Though I will say your argument above does read like the no true Scottsman fallacy. And regardless if you agree with their interp of communism (I don't), or not, that is how they still defined themselves

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I really don't get these debates. Why are we interested in quantifying groups of people like this? What all of these regimes did was evil. They tried to wipe out whole classes of people and murdered millions. We can argue over how successful they were, but Pachendale is right, they all had the same exact aim, total power, no matter the cost and no matter how many bodies had to make up the foundation. They both monuments to the degradation and enslavement of their fellow man. To say which is more evil is to say look at a Labrador and a Golden Retriever and say which one is more of a dog. It's absurd.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Communists and Nazis are both hardcore leftist totalitarians and just plain evil.
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    It makes far-righties feel better to believe that it is, Medusa, even though they share a lot of beliefs with the Nazis.
    Nazism and Fascism in general are neither left-wing nor right-wing. Fascism was deliberately created as an alternative to the left-right dichotomy in politics. It borrows many elements from different ideologies.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Which were the Japanese?
    Which came first?
    What agreements did they have with each other?

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    You need an option "both".

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It makes far-righties feel better to believe that it is, Medusa, even though they share a lot of beliefs with the Nazis.

    Really?

    Perhaps you could cite a few examples?

    It appears to anyone with sense that a political party that called itself socialist, and who's practitioners went around Germany for decades preaching about the glories of socialism, was in fact SOCIALIST.....

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Nazism and Fascism in general are neither left-wing nor right-wing. Fascism was deliberately created as an alternative to the left-right dichotomy in politics. It borrows many elements from different ideologies.
    That would be incorrect.

    Both are left-wing.

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