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Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

Are Nazis or Communists worse?

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NIMBY said:
Which were the Japanese?
Which came first?
What agreements did they have with each other?
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The Japanese were weird. Theocracy seems to fit the bill best. The total devotion to their religion, through the Emperor as their deity.

Communism as an ideology and practise came first, but not by far. The USSR was official created in 1924, while Fascism's first, Mussolini came to power in 1925. Hitler got power in 1933 with is own extreme sort of Fascism, what is now known as Nazism.

On one and only agreement between Communism and Nazism is Totalitarianism. The total and utter rule of the people, controlling every aspect of their lives. Other than that, they are polar opposite.
 
Wayno said:
Nonsense.

Is North Korea Conservative?

Is there a more nationalistic place in the world?

Hitler HATED the wealthy land owners in Germany, as well..........

Here, educate yourself.........
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It depends upon how we define conservative. If we take the textbook definition, resistant to change, the Korean Workers Party would fit the bill; they have refused to tolerate even the idea of reform for over 60 years. If we are going to take your definition, this is in the context of the West's "right" then no, of course they aren't conservative. The North Korean regime's ideology is pro-North-Korean-regime-staying-in-power-ism. They certainly aren't Marxist, at least not in practice. They mostly just care about entrenching their own power and crushing opposition before it becomes a problem. In this regard they are similar to the Nazis. Nazis, as well as all totalitarians, are only interested in putting the power of the state above all else. You can call it "left-wing" or "right-wing" all you want, but doing so would divorce either term from whatever practical meaning they still have. I'll just stick to calling such a system "madness".

Wayno said:
An American Form of Government - YouTube
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I agree that statist communism and fascism are far more similar than they are diffeent, but calling them left-wing vs right wing is completely arbitrary.
 
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DrunkenAsparagus said:
North Korea's regime is pro-North-Korean-regime-staying-in-power. They certainly aren't Marxist, at least not in practice. They mostly just care about entrenching their own power and crushing opposition before it becomes a problem. In this regard they are similar to the Nazis. Nazis, as well as all totalitarians, are only interested in putting the power of the state above all else. You can call it "left-wing" or "right-wing" all you want, but doing so would divorce either term from whatever practical meaning they still have. I'll just stick to calling such a system "madness".
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Those systems are "Statist," believing in the power of the state over the rights and freedoms of the individual.

The more so they become, putting the "village" over individual rights, the more left they move.

In fact, there is very little, from abortion to locking up the land for environmental reasons, to massive Keynesian work projects and gun control, to seperate the policies of the NAZI's from the modern Democrat Party.

And if you want to see where Hitler's "Brown Shirts" came from, look no further than the "Occu-Pooper" movement, and their virulent anti-Semitic rhetoric.
 
Juiposa said:
The Japanese were weird. Theocracy seems to fit the bill best. The total devotion to their religion, through the Emperor as their deity.

Communism as an ideology and practise came first, but not by far. The USSR was official created in 1924, while Fascism's first, Mussolini came to power in 1925. Hitler got power in 1933 with is own extreme sort of Fascism, what is now known as Nazism.

On one and only agreement between Communism and Nazism is Totalitarianism. The total and utter rule of the people, controlling every aspect of their lives. Other than that, they are polar opposite.
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Fascism actually involved the state taking a huge role in economic affairs. Mussolini's government controlled prices, wages, industrial policy, and tried economic planning. Hitler's government instituted many social democratic policies. Where the two ideologies differed was on class struggle. The Communists saw the rich and poor in inevitable conflict and sought to side with just the poor. The Fascists attempted to unite people of all classes and give them a single purpose, the strength and unity of the state. The two had very important differences, but they were not polar opposites.
 
Wayno said:
The more so they become, putting the "village" over individual rights, the more left they move.
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No no no no no no! Fascism and consequently Nazism put the Nation above everything and all. In the case of Hitler, the German Nation and is purity and preservation was key to them. You are a German first an foremost.

With Communism, a similar ideal is found, but no with your Nation, but your social class. Proletariat was to put them selves first and foremost. The Proleteriat transcends borders and Nations. You are part of the Proletariat first, German or whatever later.

That is a massive difference.
 
I don't think the question was stated well.......

Undoubtedly, someone like Jeffrey Dahmer would say "both...."
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Fascism actually involved the state taking a huge role in economic affairs. Mussolini's government controlled prices, wages, industrial policy, and tried economic planning. Hitler's government instituted many social democratic policies. Where the two ideologies differed was on class struggle. The Communists saw the rich and poor in inevitable conflict and sought to side with just the poor. The Fascists attempted to unite people of all classes and give them a single purpose, the strength and unity of the state. The two had very important differences, but they were not polar opposites.
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Poor choice of words on my part, but any two ideologies have similarities. Nazism and Communism though is as different as it gets.
 
Wayno said:
I don't think the question was stated well.......

Undoubtedly, someone like Jeffrey Dahmer would say "both...."
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My question was stated fine. I am not asking for both, I am asking for whether or not which one you think is worse. I understand many people hate both. I want ONE that you hate more.
 
Juiposa said:
No no no no no no! Fascism and consequently Nazism put the Nation above everything and all. In the case of Hitler, the German Nation and is purity and preservation was key to them. You are a German first an foremost.

With Communism, a similar ideal is found, but no with your Nation, but your social class. Proletariat was to put them selves first and foremost. The Proleteriat transcends borders and Nations. You are part of the Proletariat first, German or whatever later.

That is a massive difference.
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Again, the NAZI's didn't do anything the North Koreans don't do when it comes to Nationalism.

NAZI's are DEFINITELY of the left.....
 
Wayno said:
Again, the NAZI's didn't do anything the North Koreans don't do when it comes to Nationalism.

NAZI's are DEFINITELY of the left.....
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This Left-Right scale of political measurement is totally arbitrary. It tells nothing of the actual standing of a party.

As well, I was commenting on your statement that somehow that the collectivism seen in both Fascism and Communism were the same. I never mention Left-Right politics in my post.
 
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Wayno said:
Those systems are "Statist," believing in the power of the state over the rights and freedoms of the individual.
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Yes, they were.

Wayno said:
The more so they become, putting the "village" over individual rights, the more left they move.
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Why is the statist direction more left-wing? This seems like an arbitrary distinction.

Wayno said:
In fact, there is very little, from abortion to locking up the land for environmental reasons, to massive Keynesian work projects and gun control, to seperate the policies of the NAZI's from the modern Democrat Party.
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With the notable exception of "living space" and "elimination of the Jews and other undesirables" being conspicuously absent from their platforms.

Wayno said:
And if you want to see where Hitler's "Brown Shirts" came from, look no further than the "Occu-Pooper" movement, and their virulent anti-Semitic rhetoric.
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I have no idea what the Occupy Movement is exactly and neither does anyone else, but they are no Nazis. I've been to a couple of Occupy Protests and know quite a few Occupiers. While I have no doubt that some are anti-Semitic, I don't see anything inherently pro-Nazi or anti-Semitic about their (fairly muddled) message. Heck, most of them aren't really statists either, falling into the anarcho-syndicalist camp.
 
Juiposa said:
Poor choice of words on my part, but any two ideologies have similarities. Nazism and Communism though is as different as it gets.
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Not at all.

Both used promises of "The State" and what it was going to do for "The People" to empower madmen.
 
Wayno said:
Not at all.

Both used promises of "The State" and what it was going to do for "The People" to empower madmen.
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Do you even read my posts before responding to any one of them? Its like you pick at certain parts of them and regurgitate horse**** rhetoric.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
How long ago was this?
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The State of North Carolina was still sterilizing people into the late 1970's, but since the focus of the article is how AMERICAN PROGRESSIVES were the people Hitler GOT his ideas of "The Master Race" from, and in fact they FINANCED people like Mengele and his warped experiments, I'd say early to mid 20th century.....
 
Juiposa said:
Wait? I don't get it? How does you patronising me have anything to do with your marriage?
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Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought maybe you were equating that with being propositioned.......

My bad......
 
Juiposa said:
A long time ago, when eugenic pseudo-science was still relevant. 1850-1920 aboot.
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60,000 Americans were sterilized by socialist and progressive "future thinking" idiots.

And led to the "future thinking" Hitler, who deeply agreed with you, to the tune of millions dead.

That will always be relevant.
 
Where does corrupt capitalism come in, since that's what we've had for 225 years and before.
Certainly corrupt capitalism is at the core of Imperial Europe after the Dark Ages.
I'm sure a good case could be made that it has been around forever.
IMV, Fascism and Communism have their roots in corrupt capitalism.
Juiposa said:
This Left-Right scale of political measurement is totally arbitrary. It tells nothing of the actual standing of a party.

As well, I was commenting on your statement that somehow that the collectivism seen in both Fascism and Communism were the same. I never mention Left-Right politics in my post.
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