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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Have it your way, I think we are getting into semantics.
    I think the statement "most Germans supported the Nazis" is dishonest and apologetic. Hitler seized power with ~1/3, most of whom had no idea what was going on. Perhaps, and this is being generous, 5% of the population supported Nazism as it would become. Additionally, I think it's slander of German people. You're turning ~5% into "most Germans".

    In summary, I find the statement intellectually dishonest, mathematically wrong, apologetic of Nazism (by inflating its support wildly) and slanderous to Germans (who get painted as monsters).

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think the statement "most Germans supported the Nazis" is dishonest and apologetic. Hitler seized power with ~1/3, most of whom had no idea what was going on. Perhaps, and this is being generous, 5% of the population supported Nazism as it would become.

    Additionally, I think it's slander of German people. You're turning ~5% into "most Germans".
    Okay, I'm sorry it bothers you so much. But history is history. If you do not think Hitler had the support of 2/3rd of the German people by 1938 or the beginning of 1939 as a leader who has made their lives that much better. IMO I think you would be mistaken. There is no way to prove what his approval rating was in 38 or 39, but I would consider it quite high.

    On the other hand, do I think most of the German People knew what he was doing to the Jews and the rest? That is more problematic. Most surely knew they were being rounded up, but here again is that term most. Most at one time or another either seen them rounded up or heard about it from others. Do I blame the Germans for following Hitler, no. It is like us following and approving of one of our political leaders and to most, that term again, he was nothing more than a political leader.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    You're mangling history with intellectual dishonesty to glorify the Nazis. Hitler seized power with ~5% (probably less than 1%) of the population actually agreeing with Nazism as it would become.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Nazis. Hell bent on world domination, a genetic code, supremacy, hatred of organized anything, and always up for corportocracy.

    Communists in my opinion are not all bad people. Stalinists are without a doubt. There are many well respected communists and communist regimes from the past. I do not see the Stalinist regimes of the old eastern bloc as respected or even communist. Im talking about Tito, Paris Commune, many intellectual communists from Western Europe, many "communist" struggles in Latin America such as the Sandanistas, in Africa such as the MPLA, or with the South African Communist Party fighting segregation and apartheid. I dont view communism with a lower "c" as a bad movement. I do hold "C"ommunism such as the old communist states of the Easetern bloc as a problem and not even communism, i hold them as using the popular movements that brought them to power then using the party as a tool for purley power and all things Marx spoke out against.


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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Communists, because they believe socialism can only be achieved by globalism. The ultimate goal of communism is to destroy nations. I'm a socialist, but I'm a NATIONAL socialist, not an international one. I actually would have supported the pre-1930 National Socialist German Workers Party, which was not just socialist in name, had I lived in Germany at that time.
    AN AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALIST OPPOSED TO GLOBALISM, ZIONISM, AND FEMINISM, AND IN FAVOR OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS, A PALESTINIAN STATE, AND MEN'S RIGHTS!

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    Communists, because they believe socialism can only be achieved by globalism. The ultimate goal of communism is to destroy nations. I'm a socialist, but I'm a NATIONAL socialist, not an international one. I actually would have supported the pre-1930 National Socialist German Workers Party, which was not just socialist in name, had I lived in Germany at that time.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    say something new
    You first.
    AN AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALIST OPPOSED TO GLOBALISM, ZIONISM, AND FEMINISM, AND IN FAVOR OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS, A PALESTINIAN STATE, AND MEN'S RIGHTS!

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    You first.
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    l first said it to you..
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I have new stuff, site specific (dissertation).

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    How is either one worse than the other?

    Hundreds of millions of corpses fertilize the earth between Berlin and Cambodia because both kinds of social engineering tried to impliment the "perfect" system with imperfect people. Flirting between which is less evil than the other is foolish. As Ralph Peters say's, "we shouldn't kill the dreamers, but we should damn well kill their dreams." The lesson of the twentieth century was that imperfect people deserve and need an imperfect system, which is democracy and a controlled capitalism.

    People who voted for either as being worse are ignorant. When questioning what's wrong with the world these days....look in the mirror.
    Last edited by MSgt; 02-08-13 at 12:52 AM.

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