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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post

    100% on the money. Personal responsibility. What government intrusion into this has done has not only killed personal responsibility, but has people looking to government to not only manage their lives but to act as a machine to thieve wealth from others... for their benefit. That's sick... and that sickness is rampant. And Obama... he is the epitome of that perverted culture.
    I don't think government intrusion is the problem, I just think it is methodology. There was a serious problem with poverty among the elderly, the nation wanted to do something about it. They needed to pay out current seniors who had not paid in. They should have done this in a phased approach, paying out the contemporaneous poor seniors on a needs basis, and set up a system for people to fund their accounts over time.

    I would also argue that there is nothing perverted or even new in our people, but that the problem is the shift in our economy from a balance between labor and capital that has heavily favored capital. Capitalism is the engine of our economy, but an engine can be debilitated by too much fuel. We complain about current tax rates and ignore the past when they were much more progressive and much higher. Our economy is based on consumer spending (about 70%), when the policies change in such a way that new money goes into fewer and fewer hands, the results expected are exactly what we are seeing now. We missed a lot of what was going on during the first part of this decade because consumption was fueled by debt backed up by home values. When that house of cards fell it exposed the reality of our economy, consumers had far less disposable income than previously. We have since seen capital try to make up for this by selling products for less by producing them for less. But to do this, they hve outsourced production, killing more American jobs and putting greater downward pressure on incomes.

    A sustainable economy should function by one simple edict, take a little, leave a little, but don't break up the game.

    Our policies over the last 30 years put us on a path to break up the game. Through most of the last century wealth was concentrated at a level of about 22% of all private assets in the hands of 1% of capitalists. And it remained in that vicinity for most of the century. With the policies beginning in the 80's, this changed, pushing a greater and greater share of the wealth into fewer and fewer hands to the point where over 40% of all wealth is in the hands of 1%.

    Where do you think this train goes?

    We're not Czarist Russia, but if we are heading in that direction, what do you suppose will happen? Do you believe that continuing this path of wealth concentration is sustainable?

    I don't come at this from a perspective of a desire to see wealth equality or to stick it to the rich. I come at this as a patriot who would like to see America work for Americans they way it had in the past in a sustainable way. Capitalism is not a form of goverment, it is an economic system, and it cannot function in the absence of a political system. But that political system will create the construct, the playing field, if you will, for the capitalist system. The system cannot be fair, it is built by the haves for the benefit of the haves, BUT, and this is key, the haves need to have a long term view of how they put policies in place. if they are consumed by the short term view, they will take as much as they can as soon as they can, and they will break the system. Rich people don't make policies thaat are good for workers because they love workers, they make policies that are good for workers because ultimately, the workers have the power to take everything they have. When FDR began instituting labor favoring policies, it wasn't out of a desire to be socialist, it was out of a necessity to avoid revolution.

    We need balance.

    Obama is FAR from being socialist, in fact, the policies he favors could save capitalism from itself.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Straight white male, so... Commies. Commies always kill the intellectuals. I'm not saying the learned had it easy under the Nazis, but at least we had a chance.

    If "worse for me" includes my suffering resulting from the persecution of others, then Nazis.
    Completely silly and lfalse.
    Communism's problem was repression, that would result in death..
    Interesting in that, by and large, that communism had to be forced, while Nazism was embraced...even in our nation, by far too many..
    For me, anyway, better [COLOR="#FF0000"]red[COLOR="#FF0000"] than dead...

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Completely silly and lfalse.
    Communism's problem was repression, that would result in death..
    Interesting in that, by and large, that communism had to be forced, while Nazism was embraced...even in our nation, by far too many..
    For me, anyway, better [COLOR="#FF0000"]red[COLOR="#FF0000"] than dead...
    I too am surprised at how most have picked Nazism as the worst. Granted they killed 6 million during the Holocaust and Hitler wasn’t a very nice guy to go along with all his cronies. But you are right, most of the German people embraced Nazism as it lead them out of the mess Weimar and reparations had caused. Communism as you correctly stated was forced on others. Stalin had approximately 20 million of his own people killed. Linen before him killed a bunch and who knows about Khruchev and the others who followed. Pol Pot, the commie Khmer Rouge killed 3 million of his own people out of a country at that time of 7 million people. The East Germans were repressive and who knows how many they killed. North Korea, Cuba, China, and more had communism forced on them at the point of a gun. This isn’t counting all those Eastern Block European Countries.

    Yes, indeed I find the choice of Nazism surprising. But for the most the atrocities of Communism have been hid fairly well by those doing the butchering. Nazism was out there for all to see and no one after the war in Vietnam cared one iota about 3 million Cambodians.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Completely silly and lfalse.
    Communism's problem was repression, that would result in death..
    Interesting in that, by and large, that communism had to be forced, while Nazism was embraced...even in our nation, by far too many..
    For me, anyway, better [COLOR="#FF0000"]red[COLOR="#FF0000"] than dead...
    First, Hitler never had more than ~32%, then he seized power. Second, commies always kill the intellectuals. I don't care if you believe that, history says so very clearly.

    Better fail than dead? That's a nice philo, but not for me.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    But you are right, most of the German people embraced Nazism as it lead them out of the mess Weimar and reparations had caused.
    No, he's wrong. And even with the paltry 30% that Hitler managed to muscle, steal and buy, the vast majority of those did not know what they were getting into.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Nazism was out there for all to see and no one after the war in Vietnam cared one iota about 3 million Cambodians.
    What are you referring to, Pol Pot?

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, he's wrong. And even with the paltry 30% that Hitler managed to muscle, steal and buy, the vast majority of those did not know what they were getting into.
    When you have 15 or more political parties running in an election, 34% is actually quite good. In fact Hitlers party captured 230 out of 538 Reichstags seats. Most people look upon these results like it is a two party system, it wasn't.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What are you referring to, Pol Pot?
    Yeah, good communist that he was.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When you have 15 or more political parties running in an election, 34% is actually quite good. In fact Hitlers party captured 230 out of 538 Reichstags seats. Most people look upon these results like it is a two party system, it wasn't.
    I'm sorry, but that does not support the statement that "most Germans supported Nazism".

    1. 30% is not most
    2. Of those 30%, most had no idea what they were getting into.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm sorry, but that does not support the statement that "most Germans supported Nazism".

    1. 30% is not most
    2. Of those 30%, most had no idea what they were getting into.
    Have it your way, I think we are getting into semantics. But from the time Hitler became Chancellor through the middle part of WWII, most Germans backed him. They, most Germans were far better off under him than during Weimar. Granted Hiter had a huge propaganda machine and probably brain washed most of those who didn't directly back him from the beginning. In a way it is like us, when the economy is booming, which the German economy took off under Hitler, he became and who ever is our president becomes very popular. Approval ratings shoot up through the roof.

    C-Span showed a very good panel discussion a couple of years ago, titled: Could a Hitler arise in the United States. Most on the panel thought it was very possible. After all, most Republicans and Democrats will wait and see where their party stands on an issue before the average Joe makes up their mind about it. When we elect a president, we really have no idea where he will lead us or what pitfalls lie ahead or how he will handle them. If a Hitler ran as the nominee of one of our two major parties, this would be the 1932 Hitler or before where no German outside of his closely knit circle knew what he was all about. I would wage 90% of which ever party's faithful he ran on would vote for him.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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