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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Just to be clear, socialism is not a perverted form of communism, but rather is/was intended as the final goal of communism with communism being an intermediate step between capitalism/feudalism and socialism. The theoretical idea of communism is to use totalitarian rule to bring the society to a state of unicornian blissfullness, and then the government can step out of the way and allow the perpetual perfection of socialism to function until the sun explodes.

    I'd suggest reading Marx if you want to know what the original hoopla was all about.

    In any case, every country on earth is now a mix of socialism and capitalism, except of course the few actual communists, who we buy all our stuff from to fund their desired eventual global hedgemony.
    The idea that socialism is the transitional state in the evolution of society into a communist society is only one interpretation of the term. Socialism as a concept pre-dates Marx by some centuries. The Levellers and Diggers in 17th century England and writings by philosophers such as Rousseau, Fourier, de Saint-Simon, Prudhon and Owen all developed ideas of socialism that looked at issues of equality, positivism and anti-individualism that all pre-date the Marxist idea of socialism. The writings of Marx developed many of these ideas, but using his work as the ultimate definer of socialism, as if he is some infallible messiah, is both wrong and probably willfully inaccurate.

    I suggest you read something other than Marx is you want to know about the origins of socialist thought.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Just to be clear, socialism is not a perverted form of communism, but rather is/was intended as the final goal of communism with communism being an intermediate step between capitalism/feudalism and socialism. The theoretical idea of communism is to use totalitarian rule to bring the society to a state of unicornian blissfullness, and then the government can step out of the way and allow the perpetual perfection of socialism to function until the sun explodes.
    Communism is pretty much dead... and Socialists have basically rationalized it away saying it didn't work because the wrong people were in charge. Hence the perverted cousin... Socialism still exists... waiting for better managers to appear to provide their golden touch.



    I'd suggest reading Marx if you want to know what the original hoopla was all about.
    I've read Marx thanks.

    In any case, every country on earth is now a mix of socialism and capitalism...
    Oh yes... and as a rule... the greater the amount of Socialism injected into the system, the sicker the society.

    Some are in intensive care... and others are in waiting for their PONZI SCHEMES to blow up in their faces. Many have been trying to reduce the amount of socialism... but taking away candy is a tough job, especially when the press believes in candy.

    It will be interesting when the last baby boomers retire in 15-years to see how the following generations put up with funding promises made to those tax payers and the socialist Ponzi Schemes they paid into. Those boomers (1945-63) may finish retiring in 2028, but their massive burden on the government (taxpayers) will live on for decades. The question is... how badly will they get screwed? If socialism works... they won't be screwed... ROTFLOL...
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Communism is pretty much dead... and Socialists have basically rationalized it away saying it didn't work because the wrong people were in charge. Hence the perverted cousin... Socialism still exists... waiting for better managers to appear to provide their golden touch.




    I've read Marx thanks.


    Oh yes... and as a rule... the greater the amount of Socialism injected into the system, the sicker the society.

    Some are in intensive care... and others are in waiting for their PONZI SCHEMES to blow up in their faces. Many have been trying to reduce the amount of socialism... but taking away candy is a tough job, especially when the press believes in candy.

    It will be interesting when the last baby boomers retire in 15-years to see how the following generations put up with funding promises made to those tax payers and the socialist Ponzi Schemes they paid into. Those boomers (1945-63) may finish retiring in 2028, but their massive burden on the government (taxpayers) will live on for decades. The question is... how badly will they get screwed? If socialism works... they won't be screwed... ROTFLOL...
    Communism is not dead, I wish it were. We are sending our dollars to a Communist country every day and moving towards a situation where we are are surpassed by a Communist country as the largest economy in the world.

    Socialism doesn't work, but then again, capitalism doesn't work either. A sustainable balance can work, but that's not easy. Social Security is a very good example. It was thought to be a good idea at the time, and logically, it did not seem impossible to fund it in perpetuity, but you're right, they missed the demographic equation. they did not think about the consequences of a smaller workforce having to pay for a larger retiree population. I am sure you would agree that this is a great reason why people's retirement savings should be paid for with their own money. That way it doesn't matter how large the population, or the altering ratios of retirees to workers.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Stalin was a monster (also State Capitalist, but that's another story). All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of communism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Communism is not dead, I wish it were. We are sending our dollars to a Communist country every day and moving towards a situation where we are are surpassed by a Communist country as the largest economy in the world.

    Socialism doesn't work, but then again, capitalism doesn't work either. A sustainable balance can work, but that's not easy. Social Security is a very good example. It was thought to be a good idea at the time, and logically, it did not seem impossible to fund it in perpetuity, but you're right, they missed the demographic equation. they did not think about the consequences of a smaller workforce having to pay for a larger retiree population. I am sure you would agree that this is a great reason why people's retirement savings should be paid for with their own money. That way it doesn't matter how large the population, or the altering ratios of retirees to workers.
    China isn't communist. They are state-controlled capitalist. The heart of socialism and communism is worker control of production. Something that never happened in the USSR, Cuba, China, and such

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatwhichisnt View Post
    Stalin was a monster (also State Capitalist, but that's another story). All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of communism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.
    Hitler was a monster. All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of fascism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by thatwhichisnt View Post
    Stalin was a monster (also State Capitalist, but that's another story). All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of communism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.
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    Hitler was a monster. All the travesties that has taken the place under the banner of fascism where done by people who were evil regardless of what they said their political ideology were.
    6 of one half a dozen of the other
    I wasn't aware there was an objective basis for "evil." Also wasn't aware that there was a reason for it to be avoided, either.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Communism is not dead, I wish it were. We are sending our dollars to a Communist country every day and moving towards a situation where we are are surpassed by a Communist country as the largest economy in the world.
    I said "it is pretty much dead". Communist China will fall too because people don't like oppressive regimes. They tried back at Tiananmen Square... the sequel is going to happen somewhere in China.

    Socialism doesn't work, but then again, capitalism doesn't work either.
    Capitalism works and a reason why it works is because of philanthropy. Strong families. A sense of community. This dies when socialism rears its perverted head. Socialism is the road to barbarianism. It is anti-social. It requires coercion and force. People resent it.
    A sustainable balance can work, but that's not easy. Social Security is a very good example. It was thought to be a good idea at the time, and logically, it did not seem impossible to fund it in perpetuity, but you're right, they missed the demographic equation.
    It more than missed the demographic equation.

    I am sure you would agree that this is a great reason why people's retirement savings should be paid for with their own money. That way it doesn't matter how large the population, or the altering ratios of retirees to workers.
    100% on the money. Personal responsibility. What government intrusion into this has done has not only killed personal responsibility, but has people looking to government to not only manage their lives but to act as a machine to thieve wealth from others... for their benefit. That's sick... and that sickness is rampant. And Obama... he is the epitome of that perverted culture.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Call them what you would like. I think evil fits quite well.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I said "it is pretty much dead". China will fall too.


    Capitalism works and a reason why it works is because of philanthropy. Strong families. A sense of community. This dies when socialism rears its perverted head. Socialism is the road to barbarianism. It is anti-social. It requires coercion and force. People resent it.

    It more than missed the demographic equation.


    100% on the money. Personal responsibility. What government intrusion into this has done has not only killed personal responsibility, but has people looking to government to not only manage their lives but to act as a machine to thieve wealth from others... for their benefit. That's sick... and that sickness is rampant. And Obama... he is the epitome of that perverted culture.
    Capitalism works because of philanthropy, families, and a sense of community? You know we have the second highest rate of child poverty compared to other industrialized powers? Horrid healthcare system? One in seven children living in a food insecure homes? Millions of people homeless while there are roughly 5 million empty and vacant homes? Millions of people out of work with roughly 1/5th of our productive capacities idle because it is deemed unprofitable? Two major economic downturns within the last 25 years with 11 recessions between them? Huge inequality between the rich and the poor (CEO to worker pay is up to around 403 percent last I checked)? Corporate profits the highest percent of GDP in its history while worker wages is the lowest in its history (3q last year). I could go on and on.

    We are an increasingly atomized and selfish people. How one can say otherwise is beyond me. Also, your view of socialism is quite wrong. It is the opposite of how you characterize it. Socialism isn't the USSR, China, or the like. That is heavily controlled state capitalist.

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