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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Of course the state dominates, that is pretty much the definition of totalitarian, however, in a Communist State, there is no private property nor free enterprise, in a fascist state, private property and free enterprise is encouraged, to the extent it benefits the state. You could call it a distinction without a difference, but that is my overall point, the degreee of totalitarianism is either system is so extreme, the difference to an individual living in either system might be indistinguishable, you behave as the state demands, or the state will kill you.
    Yes, I agree. It also might be added that tightly controlled private enterprise was allowed (as we have mentioned before) under the Lenin's New Economic Policy, which continued for longer than the pre-war Nazi rule. The capital-F Fascists probably envisioned their mode of "corporatism" as permanent, but the Hitlerites seemed to be gradually moving closer to the Communist mode, after Hjalmar Schacht and other moderates have lost their positions by 1937
    The Four-Year Plan of 1936, with Hermann Goering installed as an absolute economic dictator, sure looks pretty damn Soviet.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's like asking, if I prefer a dry broom handle or a knife, in the butt.
    Either way, I'm not gonna like it at all.
    I'm still asking. Choose your sodomy.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Huh? Which King Richard?

    This thread seems to be descending into the realm of fairy stories.
    That is where most politics belong, in the world of fairy tales. It seems to me the wicked witch of the east must be the Democratic Party and the wicked witch of the west the Republican party
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    you seem to forget the other part of my post
    You mean, the ludicrous notion that a barbaric, mass-murdering regime that deprived all of its citizens of all their rights had prompted suffrage and social amelioration in the West, out of fear that otherwise people would be attracted to the murderers?

    I sort of assumed that this other part was a product of hasty pasting, and then you realized, of course, how stupid it sounds, but the 25 min this site allows for editing were over....

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Communism, and it's not close. I'd much prefer to live in fascist Italy during the days of Mussolini than either of those two, but Nazi Germany was somewhat successful economically. Not like Italy, but it beats the hell out of the stagnation we refer to as communism.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    My Sister live in the heart of NYC. My Sister and her husband are part of the 1% (screenwriters, producers and directors) and they love living in NYC even though they own huge amounts of property in Venice Beach CA and do most business with Hollywood. So, NYC communism apparently doesn't bother everyone.

    I lived in NYC during the 50s when it was the most dangerous city in America. Now it looks pussified and boring to me




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    Move to New York City for a few months if you really want to know......
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    mass murdering millions as a GOAL (as opposed to a side effect of stupid policies of Communists) makes me figuratively foam at the moath whenever I meet a Nazi.
    I completely agree about the Nazis.

    And I completely disagree about the Communists.

    It was not "a side effect of stupid policies". It was the very flesh and blood and unholy spirit of Communism: Real, actual, individual people DO NOT MATTER. Abstractions like the "Aryan race" (in the Nazi case) or the "class" (in the Commie case) do.

    I recall the old cartoon in a Polish reistsance newspaper, from the time when the Nazis and the Commies attacked Poland in concerted manner, from both sides: A Gestapo thug and an NKVD ghoul are pressing guns into a Polish Jew's belly and back: "So, would you like to be killed for being a subhuman Hebrew ape, or for being a capitalist enemy of the proletariat?"
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Communism, and it's not close. I'd much prefer to live in fascist Italy during the days of Mussolini than either of those two, but Nazi Germany was somewhat successful economically. Not like Italy, but it beats the hell out of the stagnation we refer to as communism.
    You mean the stagnation we refer to as Communist China?

    And please don't say their growth is because they have embraced capitalism, they haven't, they have embraced using their resources to sell to capitalists and thereby transfer wealth from capitalists to communists.

    They both suck, and both have examples of sucking more or less than each other, but totalitarian rule is totalitarian rule, and unlesss you enjoy not making choices for yourself, or being able to say what you think out loud, both should be avoided equally.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    You mean the stagnation we refer to as Communist China?

    And please don't say their growth is because they have embraced capitalism, they haven't, they have embraced using their resources to sell to capitalists and thereby transfer wealth from capitalists to communists.

    They both suck, and both have examples of sucking more or less than each other, but totalitarian rule is totalitarian rule, and unlesss you enjoy not making choices for yourself, or being able to say what you think out loud, both should be avoided equally.
    They haven't "embraced capitalism", but their ability to compete in the geoeconomic market is because they have adopted many capitalist policies. They still lack the freedom individually that capitalist countries allow their populace.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They haven't "embraced capitalism", but their ability to compete in the geoeconomic market is because they have adopted many capitalist policies. They still lack the freedom individually that capitalist countries allow their populace.
    In other words, they have done what other communist countries have failed to do, be productive. That has always been one of the major knocks against communism (you know, besides the genocide) that their system doesn't allow for market based decision making. Does this mean that as an economic system, the Chinese have made communism successful?

    My answer is who cares, it's still totalitarian. Democratic capitalists should not send them a cent. To me, that is like selling SAM's to al Qaeda. yeah, you make a buck now, but it's going to cost you later.

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