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Thread: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Nazi's were fascists. Fascism may not = Nazism, but Nazism = Fascism.
    I think what you mean to say is that nazism includes fascism, where as fascism is a branch of nazism. But that is not quite accurate since the national fascist party in Italy had existed before the NDSAP in Germany. And not just that, but Nazism imported several elements from fascism. So national socialism is, at best, like a mongrel dog. It combines both fascist notions with socialist ideals.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Nazi's were fascists. Fascism may not = Nazism, but Nazism = Fascism.
    Only if you use "fascists" as a general label for "totalitarian socialists". But the Soviets are not usually called "facsists", so this usage is kinda silly.

    Actual Fascists - the followers of Gentile and Mussolini - in Italy, nowhere else - did share certain features with both Nazis and Communists, but were different in many ways, not to mention - much less oppressive.

    It may be not too big a stretch to call the Iberian dictatorships of Franco and Salazar "fascist" - although they differed in being much more inward-looking and culturally conservative.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I think what you mean to say is that nazism includes fascism, where as fascism is a branch of nazism.
    No. In fact that is the opposite of what I meant to say.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's hard for people to understand some things, that don't directly happen to them.
    Makes them forget why we overturned monarchies and all that.

    Yes, people wanted a voice in government. How they were govern. But these over throws were basically driven by only a few people. Those few incited others and the incited others really had no idea of what type of government they would get once the monarchy was over thrown. In this way the U.S was extremely lucky. In over throwing the Czar, it could be argued that the Russian people might have been better off to continue the monarchy. There still are a lot of countries that have vestiages of the monarchy.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes, people wanted a voice in government. How they were govern. But these over throws were basically driven by only a few people. Those few incited others and the incited others really had no idea of what type of government they would get once the monarchy was over thrown. In this way the U.S was extremely lucky. In over throwing the Czar, it could be argued that the Russian people might have been better off to continue the monarchy. There still are a lot of countries that have vestiages of the monarchy.
    Yea but now people want to hand their voice to a bureaucrat or politician.
    In my opinion, people aren't yet evolved enough for democracy.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Which of the two listed above are worse for you?

    Me? Nazis without a doubt.
    White female - they're both equally hazardous to my health seeing as how I'm reduced to being a housewife or a floor sweep in some hovel of a shop - my primary goal in life should be to birth as many offspring as I can manage to crank out of my ovaries and let them suckle my breasts until I commit suicide . . . neither affords me individuality, freedom, education and success in life.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea but now people want to hand their voice to a bureaucrat or politician.
    In my opinion, people aren't yet evolved enough for democracy.

    In a representative republic, that is what we do, we vote these representatives in and by doing so, we are saying they are our voice in government. Prior to the the 17th amendment, Senators were elected or chosen by mostly state legislatures to represent the state. But now the senate by direct election as the same as representatives, they no long represent the state as envisoned. But have become more a representative of the people living in the state that elected them.

    Most people equate a voice in government is voting, then only a little more than half do vote. It is my feeling that a very minority of the people actually care or pay attention to what government is doing. Elections have become a popularity contest, not so much based on the candidates views, their stand on issues, which would be better off for the country, state or the district we fall in, but popularity, looks, who has the most money to run negative ads, very few candidates actually let us know where they do stand out of fear by taking a stand will alienate some voters or voter blocks. So in a way, this is a long winded reply saying you are basically correct.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    White female - they're both equally hazardous to my health seeing as how I'm reduced to being a housewife or a floor sweep in some hovel of a shop - my primary goal in life should be to birth as many offspring as I can manage to crank out of my ovaries and let them suckle my breasts until I commit suicide . . . neither affords me individuality, freedom, education and success in life.
    if we consider women's status and roles in both regimes , nazism seems more despotic
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    In a representative republic, that is what we do, we vote these representatives in and by doing so, we are saying they are our voice in government. Prior to the the 17th amendment, Senators were elected or chosen by mostly state legislatures to represent the state. But now the senate by direct election as the same as representatives, they no long represent the state as envisoned. But have become more a representative of the people living in the state that elected them.

    Most people equate a voice in government is voting, then only a little more than half do vote. It is my feeling that a very minority of the people actually care or pay attention to what government is doing. Elections have become a popularity contest, not so much based on the candidates views, their stand on issues, which would be better off for the country, state or the district we fall in, but popularity, looks, who has the most money to run negative ads, very few candidates actually let us know where they do stand out of fear by taking a stand will alienate some voters or voter blocks. So in a way, this is a long winded reply saying you are basically correct.
    Well, science is saying that, we're really ****ty at choosing representatives.
    For me, that says we aren't ready for this.

    Maybe in 1000 years or more.
    I dunno what the alternative should be.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, science is saying that, we're really ****ty at choosing representatives.
    For me, that says we aren't ready for this.

    Maybe in 1000 years or more.
    I dunno what the alternative should be.
    I forget who said this, but it was one of the founding fathers, he said the most efficient government and one that is the best for the people is a benevolent monarchy. So the wheel has turned full cycles.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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