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Thread: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It makes far-righties feel better to believe that it is, Medusa, even though they share a lot of beliefs with the Nazis.
    Now hold on a second there buster.

    The only reason national socialism is considered a RIGHT wing thing is because in comparison to the communists in the USSR, the nazis allowed for some degree of free enterprise to exist as opposed to the commies who nationalized everything that was worth something important and respected, to some degree, private property. And hence, on the economical policy, they were a bit more liberal in free enterprise. But the nazis and fascists in general have nationalized a LOT of things in their country. From industry to news papers to imposing draconian laws of all kinds and having secret police to instill terror in the inhabitants to make sure they be quiet and submissive.

    That's the only real difference, the economic policy between commies and nazis. Politically it was the same single party rulership, no real elections, no freedom of the press and hence, no free speech. No nothing. They were both autocratic, totalitarian regimes and both indulged in the same brutal crimes. Commies hate anti-ethnic policies. Tons of moldavians for instance have been "asked nicely" to move from their homeland to other parts of the USSR and stay there. Same with numerous other ethnic groups like Ukrainians, poles and many more.

    So don't go about saying how the nazis weren't lefties. They were pretty lefty. They were just a bit more to the right of the communists.
    The reason the far right stuck is mostly PR reasons. You needed a quick way to refer to something, and not that is the mainstream name for such people. Even though in certain perspectives, they are as far left as far left goes.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Nah, we're much closer to fascism than communism. We just cut out the nasty bits that are most commonly associated with people like Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini.
    Franco wasn't a real fascist, especially once WW2 ended, he was more socialist than ever.

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Now hold on a second there buster.

    The only reason national socialism is considered a RIGHT wing thing is because in comparison to the communists in the USSR, the nazis allowed for some degree of free enterprise to exist as opposed to the commies who nationalized everything that was worth something important and respected, to some degree, private property. And hence, on the economical policy, they were a bit more liberal in free enterprise. But the nazis and fascists in general have nationalized a LOT of things in their country. From industry to news papers to imposing draconian laws of all kinds and having secret police to instill terror in the inhabitants to make sure they be quiet and submissive.

    That's the only real difference, the economic policy between commies and nazis. Politically it was the same single party rulership, no real elections, no freedom of the press and hence, no free speech. No nothing. They were both autocratic, totalitarian regimes and both indulged in the same brutal crimes. Commies hate anti-ethnic policies. Tons of moldavians for instance have been "asked nicely" to move from their homeland to other parts of the USSR and stay there. Same with numerous other ethnic groups like Ukrainians, poles and many more.

    So don't go about saying how the nazis weren't lefties. They were pretty lefty. They were just a bit more to the right of the communists.
    The reason the far right stuck is mostly PR reasons. You needed a quick way to refer to something, and not that is the mainstream name for such people. Even though in certain perspectives, they are as far left as far left goes.
    true ,ahiska turks were one of those ethnic groups

    but at least they werent killed by poison gas and burned in crematoriums .........

    maybe many of those jews were burned alive.........god knows......

    but it must be easy to prefer nazis while you share similar tendencies with them
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I see we wandered into American right-wing bizarroworld, where up is down, in is out, and Nazi's are leftwing. This viewoint is a relatively recent revision of history unique to the US right. Curiously it tends to be the far right who subscribe to this view, which if the Nazis were indeed left of centre, leaves themselves as the extremist right position.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Which of the two listed above are worse for you?

    Me? Nazis without a doubt.
    That's like asking, if I prefer a dry broom handle or a knife, in the butt.
    Either way, I'm not gonna like it at all.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Joseph Stalin's regime persecuted, ostracized, and killed far more people during his reign than the Germans. Milosevic was another genocidal bastard most don't even remember, and then there's Pol Pot, Mao, Castro, and many others like them. Communism is worse simply because it proliferated, whereas fascism was snuffed out for the most part with the end of the Second World War.
    Many elements of fascism were adopted by developed countries.
    We just don't call it fascism today.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    I feel this is a false choice, it is sort of like having to choose between the devil and satan. Sure Hitler killed 6 million Jews and had his aryan nation notions, but Stalin killed as estimate 20 million of his own people to remain in power. Pol Pot 3 million of his own people, I think we all know of North Korea and what they are doing to their own people just so the commie stays in power.

    Even if I believe this is a false choice, I think I would choose Nazi, just because it is no more. Nazism is on the scrap heap of history, hopefully never to surface again. Communism is still alive in some places with it draconian suppression of their own people where it still exists.
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    This is a bit like asking what's worse, bubonic plague or ebola, but Communists actually were more virulent, and more deadly.

    As we have discussed just recently on another thread, the Nazis had some rudimentary morality: they needed their twisted anthropology to declare their victims - the Jews, the Gypsies, us Poles, etc - subhuman, some kinds of other species. The Marxist-Leninist did not bother with such justifications. The enemy is exactly the same species - sometimes the same family. He just dares to think in a different way.

    Also, while both totalitarian socialst twins did operate by turning real, living people into abstract groups, the Nazi's emphasis on genetic closeness at least has some link to reality; the Commies' "social classes" are as abstract as it gets. When the Soviet Communists ran out of the "class enemy" called "kulaks" (rich peasants, meaning anyone whose horse had not starved to death yet), they went after "podkulachniks" (peasants that could not be declared rich by any stretch of imagination, but needed to be killed or sent to Siberia anyway....)

    And, of course, Communists have murdered more people - more than 100 million, comparing to about 20 million (they had much more time, though).

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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    after reading all of these posts ,l can expect you to believe that che was not a satan
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    Re: Which are worse for you? Nazis or Communists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I don't disagree that communism is a pretty broad political philosophy. And as I said, my original intent was to point out the rather large percentage of the population liquidated by the KM

    Again, I think you are misinterpreting the intent of my post. Someone mentioned the numbers of individual killed by Hilter, the KM, and Stalin. My point was that the KM killed a much higher percentage of the cambodian population than both those individuals and movements, and never tried to associate that number with communists in general.

    basically, it wasn't a dig at communism, but an attempt to highlight the immense scale of killing in Cambodia

    In a sense, yes. Because Christianity seems rather broadly interpreted, and there isn't really a "true" Christianity.
    I take your points and I wasn't under the impression that you were attacking communism, per se. There isn't a 'true' communism either. My point in making the comments about the crusades is to highlight that there's a pretty big difference between a term such as communism which, like Christianity, has a myriad of interpretations, sects, forms and features to the point that saying 'communism is this' is meaningless. Nazism is and was always much more monolithic. It is possible to say that 'Nazism is that' because it has only been imposed in one case and its theory is clearly expressed, easily distinguishing it from related ideological forms such as Fascism or Syndicalist Nationalism.
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