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Thread: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes, in a way.
    Intelligence scales for women and men are equal on average, but when broken down men tend to be really intelligent or dumb as bricks.
    Women tend to hug the average.

    International homicide rates are but one blip on a complicated subject.


    They happen to be the blip this thread is about. And I don't buy your personal theory that it is all gender related, as many other countries are not as violent.

    Here is an academic paper on the subject that refers to several studies that indicate "hegemonic masculinity," that is more of a cultural creation.

    http://www.academia.edu/1199492/Hege..._United_States
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Then why do people spend sometimes their entire lives trying to undo the conditioning of their childhoods?

    Hell, I just noticed something about myself the other day that isn't ideal, and probably from my childhood. Based on experience, this is going to take me years to get it where I want it. And I'm not a depressed, "damaged" person. I'm intelligent and very self-aware, and I do a lot of self-work. I'm relatively well adjusted -- I just don't particularly like this habit of mine. It's still gonna take me years. What do you think it's like for someone who doesn't even realize what's happening to them or really is a damaged person?
    Some types of conditioning are readily assembled.
    It's not cut and dry like that.

    If a type of conditioning is nearly always reinforced, then it's more likely to stick.
    But then we need to ask ourselves, why is it nearly always reinforced?

    Likely because these types of conditioning are biologically/evolutionary and are readily accepted by the population at large.
    In the Pavlov's dog experiment, eventually the dogs mouth will stop watering, if the food is not brought.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You are way, way over-simplying this issue.

    There is an enormous amount of debate of how much environment affects the sexes, and almost no one who knows anything about it says "not at all." There's also a lot of evidence that men and women much more similar than strictly gender normative cultures would lead you to believe. This is hardly surprising, considering some cultures don't even have the same genders we do.

    It is quite likely that at least half of this equation is environmental. And it's frankly insane to even try to say environment has nothing to do with it.

    Honestly, I think it's pretty insulting to men to simply say it's "how guys are." It obviously isn't. I can see that by just observing generational differences between men. It implies that men just aren't very intelligent, or very human, really.
    No I don't think so.
    It is complicated but it can be summed up with the "it's how humans are."

    I don't buy the women and men are the same argument one bit.
    It's an attempt to force gender neutrality, when there are very real reasons why it can't be forced.

    It's not insulting to men at all.
    To me, that sounds like a really backwards sexist statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    There are countries where violence against women is literally an institution. Is that nature as well?
    Not at all.
    Not anymore than the court systems in developed nations are in catering towards women.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They happen to be the blip this thread is about. And I don't buy your personal theory that it is all gender related, as many other countries are not as violent.

    Here is an academic paper on the subject that refers to several studies that indicate "hegemonic masculinity," that is more of a cultural creation.

    http://www.academia.edu/1199492/Hegemonic_Masculinity_and_Mass_Murderers_in_the_Un ited_States
    You can't just focus on one thing, because violence manifests itself in more than one form.
    It's a kind of "fallacy of a single cause" type argument.

    Your link doesn't work.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some types of conditioning are readily assembled.
    It's not cut and dry like that.

    If a type of conditioning is nearly always reinforced, then it's more likely to stick.
    But then we need to ask ourselves, why is it nearly always reinforced?

    Likely because these types of conditioning are biologically/evolutionary and are readily accepted by the population at large.
    In the Pavlov's dog experiment, eventually the dogs mouth will stop watering, if the food is not brought.
    You're talking about a simple training trick. I'm talking about the emotional wiring of the human psyche. These two things are radically different from each other.

    No I don't think so.
    It is complicated but it can be summed up with the "it's how humans are."

    I don't buy the women and men are the same argument one bit.
    It's an attempt to force gender neutrality, when there are very real reasons why it can't be forced.

    It's not insulting to men at all.
    To me, that sounds like a really backwards sexist statement.
    I did not say they are "the same."

    Show me one study saying that society has no impact on how people behave. Seriously. That is what you are arguing, and it's ridiculous.

    You're comparing mens' emotions to dogs salivating. I am not the one being sexist.

    Not at all.
    Not anymore than the court systems in developed nations are in catering towards women.
    So, then, violence can have an awful lot to do with society. Glad we agree.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You're talking about a simple training trick. I'm talking about the emotional wiring of the human psyche. These two things are radically different from each other.
    It may seem as such, but teaching children is but lots of "simple training tricks."
    Some are readily assembled in the brain, more so than others.

    If they aren't constantly reinforced, they tend to get lost.
    At least some of them do.

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    I did not say they are "the same."
    Good deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Show me one study saying that society has no impact on how people behave. Seriously. That is what you are arguing, and it's ridiculous.
    I didn't say it didn't.
    I'm saying that the way society acts towards some behaviors may in fact be biological/evolutionary.
    Which rewards/encourages more of said behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You're comparing mens' emotions to dogs salivating. I am not the one being sexist.
    No, it's just a way to show that conditioning can eventually go away, if not constantly reinforced.
    It sounds like the default position in most of these threads is that there is something wrong with men and it must be changed, to something similar to women.
    That is pretty darn sexist, if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So, then, violence can have an awful lot to do with society. Glad we agree.
    Sometimes, absolutely.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You can't just focus on one thing, because violence manifests itself in more than one form.
    It's a kind of "fallacy of a single cause" type argument.

    Your link doesn't work.
    We are discussing why are there more male mass murderers, are we not? What better comparative data is there than intentional homicides in relation to that subject?

    Try the link now, I think I've got it fixed.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I didn't say it didn't.
    I'm saying that the way society acts towards some behaviors may in fact be biological/evolutionary.
    Which rewards/encourages more of said behavior.
    Then why are they so different from one culture to the next?

    No, it's just a way to show that conditioning can eventually go away, if not constantly reinforced.
    It sounds like the default position in most of these threads is that there is something wrong with men and it must be changed, to something similar to women.
    That is pretty darn sexist, if you ask me.
    I think there is something wrong killing people, yes. But I am not the one arguing that it's "just how guys are."

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So men are more of a psychological mess than women?
    Not inherently.

    How do you explain the wide discrepancy in intentional homicides between countries if is solely a gender issue?
    I don't believe it's entirely a gender issue, but the vast differences between men and women are certainly a factor. All throughout the social classes, there is more pressure for men to perform than women. Even in modern "enlightened" structures, men are required to work harder to provide for the needs and wants of their families. The price of not doing so is extremely punitive. In poorer social classes, these extremes sometimes lead to domestic violence, physical abuse, like beating a young boys ass until he breaks because he isn't being manly enough, or because he's kind of a pussy. That **** really ****s a kid up, but it's a ****ed up world we live in.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are discussing why are there more male mass murderers, are we not? What better comparative data is there than intentional homicides in relation to that subject?

    Try the link now, I think I've got it fixed.
    We are, and I believe males are more likely to mass murder because it's part of our biological functioning.
    We can kill easier than females and we have wonky brains.

    But, homicide rates are the single factor towards violence and mental stability.
    Like the Nordic countries, they may have less homicides but more suicides.


    The link works now, but I don't believe the site is compatible with Chrome.
    The text of the paper isn't showing up.
    Thanks though.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Then why are they so different from one culture to the next?
    They aren't really all that different.
    You may find some minor exceptions, but exceptions don't disprove the rule.

    There is nearly always an undercurrent of typical human behavior between genders.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think there is something wrong killing people, yes. But I am not the one arguing that it's "just how guys are."
    Killing isn't always wrong.
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