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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In my experience, this varies a lot depending on where you are. In Minneapolis? Yeah, I'd say younger guys tend to be better adjusted -- but not all (see my example -- he's gonna grow up some day).

    But Tucson? DC? Tennessee? No, I don't think so.

    I know a lot men tend to express a little differently. But I think a lot of these incidences are avoidable, and have a lot to do with social training.

    To be honest, I'm not even sure how innate those expression differences are. I've met men who out-communicate me and they were raised in more open environments.

    I agree that social training is a big factor, which is why we see some countries more violent than others. If it were strictly a male/female distinction, we would see closer numbers between countries than we do.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Believe me, women do too in this kind of employer's market. The fact stands that men are less likely to seek help for emotional problems, and I see wide variation on how men communicate, depending on whether they were raised to "be manly and silent" or whether they were allowed to express themselves.
    Just what I see in my peer group, these guys come from all walks and upbringing.
    We say things to each other when the womenz ain't around.

    Guys, in my experience, tend to share with other guys or trusted women.

    When it comes to places like work, guys are at a disadvantage, because we're not as likely to tell on someone for getting upset with us.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just what I see in my peer group, these guys come from all walks and upbringing.
    We say things to each other when the womenz ain't around.

    Guys, in my experience, tend to share with other guys or trusted women.

    When it comes to places like work, guys are at a disadvantage, because we're not as likely to tell on someone for getting upset with us.
    I have seen some very stark examples of men descending into extreme depression or addiction simply because they were unwilling to admit they needed help, let alone ask for it. Simply denying being upset or depressed despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Whether they deal with it effectively is another matter, but I don't see women simply deny it anywhere near as often.

    Believe it or not, I have known men outside of professional situations. With friends, I tend to be the chick who's "kind of a guy." I don't pretend to know whether they let it all hang out, but it seems like they do, from all description. I can hold my own.

    Men get harassed and made fun of for admitting to being upset. Even if they themselves are ok with it, larger society mostly isn't -- even now. Parents in 2013 are still leaving their boys to cry and teaching them to be violent. Actively. Intentionally.

    I have a hard time believing this has no affect on how they grow up, and the level of violence we see from men. Not to mention how much more effective they are when they decide to kill themselves. I just don't believe this has nothing to do with socialization, and all of the evidence suggests it is way more complex than simply biology.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I have seen some very stark examples of men descending into extreme depression or addiction simply because they were unwilling to admit they needed help, let alone ask for it. Simply denying being upset or depressed despite obvious and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Whether they deal with it effectively is another matter, but I don't see women simply deny it anywhere near as often.

    Believe it or not, I have known men outside of professional situations.

    Men get harassed and made fun of for admitting to being upset. Even if they themselves are ok with it, larger society mostly isn't -- even now. Parents in 2013 are still leaving their boys to cry and teaching them to be violent. Actively. Intentionally.

    I have a hard time believing this has no affect on how they grow up, and the level of violence we see from men. Not to mention how much more effective they are when they decide to kill themselves. I just don't believe this has nothing to do with socialization, and all of the evidence suggests it is way more complex than simply biology.
    It's not taught, it's just how we are.

    If it were taught, the brain would start rejecting it eventually.
    Social conditioning works only if it's a constant.

    I mean, we seem to find that boys with no fathers, in the care of single mothers are more likely to be incarcerated.

    In school (middle and high school) yes boys get ****ed hard for showing emotion.
    That's because school is like a prison environment, you can't show weakness otherwise you get pushed to the lower pecking orders.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is it because males do not handle social rejection as well as females?

    Are males just more violent than females?

    Or other, an please explain;

    Thanks!
    Mass murder and serial killing doesn't have anything to do with rejection. Rejection can trigger a violent response in an already violent or otherwise unstable person, but that person is already a psychological mess. Generally, women are caregivers. They're genetically aimed towards caring for their offspring, which usually tends to be projected towards more than their own children. However, there is no shortage of violent women who are guilty of multiple killings. Some are very brutal. Some case I've heard of recently consisted of a woman who slit a mans throat, stabbed him 29 times, and put a bullet in his head comes to mind, but that was just one victim. There's Aileen Wuornos, a prostitute who killed seven people in Florida. Jennifer San Marco shot her neighbor in the head, then went to her former job and killed six others before killing herself. Andrea Yates killed all five of her children. Debra Brown left with her lover Alton Coleman, both went on a two month killing spree across six states, killing 8 people. Amy Bishop shot and killed 3 people at the university she was employed by, and there is question of whether or not she murdered her brother in 1986. Then there's the "Black Widow" Belle Gunness, who is believed to have killed anywhere between 25 and 40 people. There's Linda Kasabian and Patricia Krenwinkel, who murdered Sharon Tate and her guests in the most shockingly brutal mass murder of the decade.

    The list goes on, but women are not incapable of unspeakable violence.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not taught, it's just how we are.

    If it were taught, the brain would start rejecting it eventually.
    Social conditioning works only if it's a constant.

    I mean, we seem to find that boys with no fathers, in the care of single mothers are more likely to be incarcerated.
    Start rejecting it? What?

    People who grow up in abusive homes are more likely to abuse/be abused. People who were born to teen parents are more likely to become teen parents. On and on and on.

    People don't simply decide that they're going to unwind 20 years of training just like that, and then everything is all better. That's a process that can take a lifetime, and some people still fail.

    People can and do change, but trying to undo the training of being ignored as an infant is not a simple thing. It's something he may not even know about himself. How does he know he was trained?

    This is frankly a bizarre notion of psychology that has pretty much no evidence behind it.

    Also, someone posted a link showing the wide variation in cultural violence. If it's "just how men are," why are the differences so enormous?

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Start rejecting it? What?
    Conditioning needs to be somewhat of a constant for it to continue to work en mass.
    It's why people born in NK, eventually stop doing all the things the were conditioned to do, once they leave NK.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    People who grow up in abusive homes are more likely to abuse/be abused. People who were born to teen parents are more likely to become teen parents. On and on and on.

    People don't simply decide that they're going to unwind 20 years of training just like that, and then everything is all better. That's a process that can take a lifetime, and some people still fail.

    People can and do change, but trying to undo the training of being ignored as an infant is not a simple thing. It's something he may not even know about himself. How does he know he was trained?

    This is frankly a bizarre notion of psychology that has pretty much no evidence behind it.
    No there is evidence that most of the differences between men and women are biological/evolutionary.
    It's only in modern times that femnazism has tried to rewrite science and history, with a "everyone by default is born equal" lie.
    With no backing, it's become such a common farce, that anything to the contrary it called heresy.


    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Also, someone posted a link showing the wide variation in cultural violence. If it's "just how men are," why are the differences so enormous?
    Homicide rates are just crime rates with various reasons behind them.
    None of which are spelled out at all.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Mass murder and serial killing doesn't have anything to do with rejection. Rejection can trigger a violent response in an already violent or otherwise unstable person, but that person is already a psychological mess. Generally, women are caregivers. They're genetically aimed towards caring for their offspring, which usually tends to be projected towards more than their own children. However, there is no shortage of violent women who are guilty of multiple killings. Some are very brutal. Some case I've heard of recently consisted of a woman who slit a mans throat, stabbed him 29 times, and put a bullet in his head comes to mind, but that was just one victim. There's Aileen Wuornos, a prostitute who killed seven people in Florida. Jennifer San Marco shot her neighbor in the head, then went to her former job and killed six others before killing herself. Andrea Yates killed all five of her children. Debra Brown left with her lover Alton Coleman, both went on a two month killing spree across six states, killing 8 people. Amy Bishop shot and killed 3 people at the university she was employed by, and there is question of whether or not she murdered her brother in 1986. Then there's the "Black Widow" Belle Gunness, who is believed to have killed anywhere between 25 and 40 people. There's Linda Kasabian and Patricia Krenwinkel, who murdered Sharon Tate and her guests in the most shockingly brutal mass murder of the decade.

    The list goes on, but women are not incapable of unspeakable violence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not taught, it's just how we are.

    If it were taught, the brain would start rejecting it eventually.
    Social conditioning works only if it's a constant.

    I mean, we seem to find that boys with no fathers, in the care of single mothers are more likely to be incarcerated.

    In school (middle and high school) yes boys get ****ed hard for showing emotion.
    That's because school is like a prison environment, you can't show weakness otherwise you get pushed to the lower pecking orders.


    So men are more of a psychological mess than women? How do you explain the wide discrepancy in intentional homicides between countries if is solely a gender issue?
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So men are more of a psychological mess than women? How do you explain the wide discrepancy in intentional homicides between countries if is solely a gender issue?
    Yes, in a way.
    Intelligence scales for women and men are equal on average, but when broken down men tend to be really intelligent or dumb as bricks.
    Women tend to hug the average.

    International homicide rates are but one blip on a complicated subject.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Conditioning needs to be somewhat of a constant for it to continue to work en mass.
    It's why people born in NK, eventually stop doing all the things the were conditioned to do, once they leave NK.
    Then why do people spend sometimes their entire lives trying to undo the conditioning of their childhoods?

    Hell, I just noticed something about myself the other day that isn't ideal, and probably from my childhood. Based on experience, this is going to take me years to get it where I want it. And I'm not a depressed, "damaged" person. I'm intelligent and very self-aware, and I do a lot of self-work. I'm relatively well adjusted -- I just don't particularly like this habit of mine. It's still gonna take me years. What do you think it's like for someone who doesn't even realize what's happening to them or really is a damaged person?

    No there is evidence that most of the differences between men and women are biological/evolutionary.
    It's only in modern times that femnazism has tried to rewrite science and history, with a "everyone by default is born equal" lie.
    With no backing, it's become such a common farce, that anything to the contrary it called heresy.
    You are way, way over-simplying this issue.

    There is an enormous amount of debate of how much environment affects the sexes, and almost no one who knows anything about it says "not at all." There's also a lot of evidence that men and women much more similar than strictly gender normative cultures would lead you to believe. This is hardly surprising, considering some cultures don't even have the same genders we do.

    It is quite likely that at least half of this equation is environmental. And it's frankly insane to even try to say environment has nothing to do with it.

    Honestly, I think it's pretty insulting to men to simply say it's "how guys are." It obviously isn't. I can see that by just observing generational differences between men. It implies that men just aren't very intelligent, or very human, really.

    Homicide rates are just crime rates with various reasons behind them.
    None of which are spelled out at all.
    There are countries where violence against women is literally an institution. Is that nature as well?

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