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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I already did. I am suggesting the biggest factor that causes males to commit more mass murders is hedgemonic masculinity.
    There's definitely a biological factor present as well.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    There's definitely a biological factor present as well.
    I think everyone has agreed it is "a" factor, but doesn't explain why more men commit mass murder in some rich countries, like the US, than in other rich countries.

    Profiling also cause mistakes to be made.
    I'm simply stating there are common identifiers in most
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We all have those stressors, yet we don't all committ mass murder. Why?

    And why would women be more capable of dealing with these stressors than men?
    women cope better with change/transitions etc. we have to. psychologically we could nt cope with pregnancy and lactation if we didn't.

    women's bodies, and our lives have more often been subject to others.

    american society emphasizes the individual (not the collective) which also places more importance on the individual male achieving success in a society where "anyone can become president" of course, its a lie. social mobility is less in the US than in many other places.

    for vulnerable men who may also be experiencing marginalization or other forms of bullying, this combines with a culture of masculine honour, easy access to weapons and the kind of overt hostility to alternative ideologies so frequently seen in forums such as this.

    all this contributes to an environment which feeds, and even allows justification of dangerous levels of resentment
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I thought not.




    No one has said gender wasn't "a" factor. Hedgemonic masculinity makes the most logical sense as the biggest factor when we compare intentional homicides by country.

    By the way, most mass murderer's in the US are from middle class backgrounds, not poor backgrounds. The profile for a mass murderer in the US is middle class, white, young, male.
    That is an interesting theory, yet does not seem to square with either the Batman theater shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. In the Batman case the perp was living somewhat independently and appeared to be academically successful, yet socially challenged and was not suicidal; in short he wanted attention and to be institutionalized. In the Sandy Hook case the perp was totally dependendent, living with only mommy, became jealous of mommy's attention to her school volunteer work, probably found out she intended to have him committed, killed mommy allong with those that she chose to spend her time with over himself and was suicidal; in short he wanted revenge followed by suicide. To lump these shootings together under some "common cause", because both perps were were white, affluent and male is a gross oversimplification, and ignores the very significant differences that I cited.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    That wouldn't explain why there are more mass murderers (as in the mass shooting type) in the US than anywhere else
    Maybe there's nothing to explain. Statistics on rare events are hard to interpret. In the last decade, we had Sandy Hill, Aurora, Fort Hood, Michael McLendon, Virginia Tech - 5 "high profile" mass shootings. Finland had two: Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed 8 people at his high school , then Matti Saari killed ten at a college. Norway had one: Breivik murdered 77. We have 315 million people, Norway and Finland - about 5 million each. Gives you 0.016 mass shooting per million of population for USA, 0.2 for Norway and 0.4 for Finland. Does it mean that Nordic societies are more violent by an order of magnitude? Of course not.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is an interesting theory, yet does not seem to square with either the Batman theater shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. In the Batman case the perp was living somewhat independently and appeared to be academically successful, yet socially challenged and was not suicidal; in short he wanted attention and to be institutionalized. In the Sandy Hook case the perp was totally dependendent, living with only mommy, became jealous of mommy's attention to her school volunteer work, probably found out she intended to have him committed, killed mommy allong with those that she chose to spend her time with over himself and was suicidal; in short he wanted revenge followed by suicide. To lump these shootings together under some "common cause", because both perps were were white, affluent and male is a gross oversimplification, and ignores the very significant differences that I cited.
    these scenarios are way too simplistic, and contribute nothing to an understanding of what happened in these individuals.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is an interesting theory, yet does not seem to square with either the Batman theater shooter or the Sandy Hook shooter. In the Batman case the perp was living somewhat independently and appeared to be academically successful, yet socially challenged and was not suicidal; in short he wanted attention and to be institutionalized. In the Sandy Hook case the perp was totally dependendent, living with only mommy, became jealous of mommy's attention to her school volunteer work, probably found out she intended to have him committed, killed mommy allong with those that she chose to spend her time with over himself and was suicidal; in short he wanted revenge followed by suicide. To lump these shootings together under some "common cause", because both perps were were white, affluent and male is a gross oversimplification, and ignores the very significant differences that I cited.
    Speculation based on very limited information.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Maybe there's nothing to explain. Statistics on rare events are hard to interpret. In the last decade, we had Sandy Hill, Aurora, Fort Hood, Michael McLendon, Virginia Tech - 5 "high profile" mass shootings. Finland had two: Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed 8 people at his high school , then Matti Saari killed ten at a college. Norway had one: Breivik murdered 77. We have 315 million people, Norway and Finland - about 5 million each. Gives you 0.016 mass shooting per million of population for USA, 0.2 for Norway and 0.4 for Finland. Does it mean that Nordic societies are more violent by an order of magnitude? Of course not.

    You only included a few of the mass murders in the US in the last decade. Here is a more complete listing:

    Citizens Crime Commission of New York City - Mass Shooting Incidents in America (1984-2012)
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    these scenarios are way too simplistic, and contribute nothing to an understanding of what happened in these individuals.
    What? Are you defending the "hegemonic masculinity" theory as less simplistic? My point is that no single factor motivates all (or even most) of these mass shootings. Many have little in common beyond what defines them as mass shootings - a high victim count and guns used during the crime.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Speculation based on very limited information.
    And your hegemonic masculinity theory was not?
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