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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just finalizing things from the paper.
    It seems that they've identified the wrong thing which encourages/causes mass murder.

    To me it seems like they think that having control over ones life is inherently masculine, but women too like having control over their lives.
    To me, the primary cause of mass murder, just from reading this paper is a temporary psychotic episode.
    hmmm.. the detail in planning some of these events indicates that it is not always that temporary. also - the columbine pair ... did they share their psychotic episode?
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    hmmm.. the detail in planning some of these events indicates that it is not always that temporary. also - the columbine pair ... did they share their psychotic episode?
    I'd say so.
    Temporary doesn't necessarily mean a few minutes, hours or days.

    Considering the conditions they were both supposedly under, they found comfort in each others plans to "end" the problem.
    I'm not saying it was right, what they did, but if they were truly bullied, harassed, what have you, I definitely understand their plight.

    Kids like that are left with little recourse, because schools encourage prison behavior (aka extreme social competition).
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm saying that access to the tools can increase that incidence of mass murders.
    Most of the country would agree that is "a" factor. You will get some blowback from the guns-make-us-safer crowd on this statement however.


    I don't think it's learned behavior that causes mass murder.
    Based on what?


    That paper you linked doesn't say so either.
    I'm still reading it though.
    Mass Murderers

    "Mass murder is defined as “the sudden, intentional
    killing of more than one person in the same location and at the
    same time, usually by a single person” (Palermo & Ross, 1999,
    p.8). Turvey (2008) notes that the problem of mass murders is
    not unique to the United States. However, Hamamoto (2002)
    argues that the United States produce most of the world’s mass
    murderers because of a “blow back” by civilians scripting
    violence in a hyper-militarised America which started with the
    increasing military adventures after World War II. Research on
    mass murder is relatively limited when compared to other
    forms of multiple homicide (Bowers, et al, 2010), yet several
    authors have identified descriptive characteristics, patterns, and
    typologies that differentiate mass murder from other forms of
    multiple murder and from murder in general (Fox & Levin,
    2012, Bowers, et al, 2010, Bartol & Bartol, 2011)."
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Now you are shifting goal posts from individual incidents of mass-murder to national warfare. However, the answer is: lots. Britain, for example. China for another. Japan less so, but France and don't even get me started on Italy .

    But hey, don't sell us short - we're young .
    to outsiders, the US does appear too be obsessed with militarism. it spends more than four times as much on the military as does china, and more than seven times as much as Russia (and everybody else is way behind that).

    it also appears to be obsessed with controlling others and setting the agenda for others.

    on the surface, it doesn't seem strange that the US WOULD have such a high murder rate.

    it seems like some killers may be manifesting a variant of what some may argue is the national obsession with power, control and solving problems with a bullet.
    Every political good carried to the extreme must be productive of evil.

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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Now you are shifting goal posts from individual incidents of mass-murder to national warfare. However, the answer is: lots. Britain, for example. China for another. Japan less so, but France and don't even get me started on Italy .

    Did you not read the paper I posted? None of those countries have started more wars against others during the period of time that mass murders have become such a common event in the US.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most of the country would agree that is "a" factor. You will get some blowback from the guns-make-us-safer crowd on this statement however.
    I don't care who likes it or doesn't like it.
    I think a degree of "bad things" is acceptable in a somewhat free society.

    The whole, "freedom isn't safe" thing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Based on what?
    I just don't think you learn to commit mass murder.
    I think it's a psychotic episode, where the murderer projects his feelings on the all the perpetrators of his torment (whether real of imagined).
    Lots of innocents get caught in it to.

    But very few people teach others to murder a bunch of people for slights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Mass Murderers

    "Mass murder is defined as “the sudden, intentional
    killing of more than one person in the same location and at the
    same time, usually by a single person” (Palermo & Ross, 1999,
    p.8). Turvey (2008) notes that the problem of mass murders is
    not unique to the United States. However, Hamamoto (2002)
    argues that the United States produce most of the world’s mass
    murderers because of a “blow back” by civilians scripting
    violence in a hyper-militarised America which started with the
    increasing military adventures after World War II. Research on
    mass murder is relatively limited when compared to other
    forms of multiple homicide (Bowers, et al, 2010), yet several
    authors have identified descriptive characteristics, patterns, and
    typologies that differentiate mass murder from other forms of
    multiple murder and from murder in general (Fox & Levin,
    2012, Bowers, et al, 2010, Bartol & Bartol, 2011)."
    The paper doesn't say mass murder is a learned thing.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Just finalizing things from the paper.
    It seems that they've identified the wrong thing which encourages/causes mass murder.

    To me it seems like they think that having control over ones life is inherently masculine, but women too like having control over their lives.
    To me, the primary cause of mass murder, just from reading this paper is a temporary psychotic episode.
    Brought on by what?
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Brought on by what?
    Social stressors, loss of job, money, relationships, etc.
    Women break down too, for all these things, it's just that they aren't biologically inclined to kill people over it, as much as males are.
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't care who likes it or doesn't like it.
    I think a degree of "bad things" is acceptable in a somewhat free society.

    The whole, "freedom isn't safe" thing.
    Freedom for increased homicides is your "thing"?





    I just don't think you learn to commit mass murder.
    I think it's a psychotic episode, where the murderer projects his feelings on the all the perpetrators of his torment (whether real of imagined).
    Lots of innocents get caught in it to.

    But very few people teach others to murder a bunch of people for slights.

    Well thanks for sharing your personal opinion!


    The paper doesn't say mass murder is a learned thing.
    This is the Abstract of the paper:

    "This exploratory study examines the act of mass murder
    as an attempt by the perpetrators to lay claim to a hegemonic
    masculine identity that has been damaged or denied them, yet
    that they feel entitled to as males in American culture.

    Biographical information was gathered for 28 men who have
    committed mass murder in the United States since 1970 and
    examined for evidence of stressors to the perpetrators’
    masculine identities. The majority of the sample demonstrated
    financial (71%), social (61%), romantic (25%), and
    psychological stressors (32%) and other stressors (18%) that
    indicated a failure to attain the hegemonic masculine ideal in
    American culture. There were co-occurring stressors such as
    financial-social, financial-psychological and socialpsychological.
    These stressors suggest that the motivations for
    mass murders are numerous and complex. There is no
    psychological profile unique to mass murderers and many
    authors have speculated on their motivations. However, in this
    study, the range of interrelated stressors experienced by the
    majority of mass murderers threatened their hegemonic
    masculine identity and these men engaged in violence to
    protect their identity."
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    Re: Why are there so few female mass murderers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Social stressors, loss of job, money, relationships, etc.
    We all have those stressors, yet we don't all committ mass murder. Why?

    And why would women be more capable of dealing with these stressors than men?
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