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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

How often does it occur? Would you say that, based on the total number of species on planet Earth and the few instances where it has been observed in a select few species that it is a "common" occurrence or does it lean more toward being a "rare" behavior?

Apparently, it's quite common.


Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual and bisexual behavior in various (non-human) species. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairings. Homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them.[1][2] Animal sexual behaviour takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied.[3] According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity – including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex – than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept."[
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19


I am getting to where I don't think it is worth it to show him his own contradiction if he chooses to be blind. The only reason I will respond is that if some gay person reads his hateful destruction of peace and thinks that he speaks for the almighty will see my posts and see that he is a charlatan and a want to be Demigod.
 
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Chances are, you're already doing that. You forget about the rest of the children.

You don't know what I've considered to make a comment like that. I simply find absurd the idea that allowing them to come out means mass rapes will ensue, or the other kids will all become gay or whatever the unspoken fear is. If BSA so badly doesn't want gays to join, they might want to stop recruiting kids younger than 10.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

You haven't established that it is a sin.

The Bible does not specifically use the term "homosexuality"......wow.....what a revelation. I suppose the fact that the prophets and disciples described such behavior without giving it a modern English translation (which obviously didn't exist yet) somehow escapes you?

The Bible also does not specifically say that sending naked pictures of underage children on the internet is a sin either......nor does it say that cooking crystal meth and selling it in a schoolyard is a sin........as a Christian, I am therefore expected to believe that simply because that exact terminology isn't in the Bible that is no less sinful?..................so, how far are we going to go with this? :roll:

God judges sin, not I........and He gives us the Holy Spirit (as well as His Word) to act as a guide in such matters. As i stated, I am not passing judgement.........as I am just as sinful as the next person and am no better in God's eyes. Homosexuality is a no worse sin than any other as it too separates us from God's will. The redeeming factor is that it is not unforgiveable and those who repent and ask forgiveness will be saved. The fact that you seem to think that it is a "natural" act in no way reduces the sin nature.

One further note........because something seems "natural" does not excuse it from being sinful......as our "natural" world is broken and rife with sin because of man's choices. We live in a sinful world and are born into a sinful nature......this is exactly the reason why we Christians believe/know that Christ's sacrifice was necessary to redeem us. Here is what the book of Jude has to say about "natural" things: :shrug:

But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. - Jude 1:17-19
 
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Most zoologists agree that there are somewhere around 8.7 million animal species which have been identified on planet Earth thus far. Homosexual behavior has been "well documented for 500 of them" according to your source.........wow.........you still think this is common? This is a small fraction of a percent. If this is how your math justifies a "common" occurrence.............then I don't know your math. :thinking:

*Correction: Science has named approx 1.3 million species but recent studies have put the number which have yet to be identified at somewhere near 7.4 million.......taking into account unexplored regions of the planet.......bringing the estimated total to 8.7 million. Still, 500 is but a small fraction. :shrug:
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Let's not forget we're talking about book that takes the time to condemn hair cuts and working on sundays, but does't have single sentence condemning slavery.

I subscribe to more than just a "book".......as true Christians should. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Rare doesn't mean unnatural. For leaf clovers are rare but they are natural.

Common had nothing to do with it.

And "natural" does not always mean "good" either in God's eyes.......see my post above.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Most zoologists agree that there are somewhere around 8.7 million animal species which have been identified on planet Earth thus far. Homosexual behavior has been "well documented for 500 of them" according to your source.........wow.........you still think this is common? This is a small fraction of a percent. If this is how your math justifies a "common" occurrence.............then I don't know your math. :thinking:

Did you miss this part?

Current research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Did you miss this part?

Yes, that's very specific........thank you. :roll:

According to the figures in your source......a married couple would have a better chance of producing six sets of quadruplets before witnessing documented homosexuality in the animal kingdom. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The Bible does not specifically use the term "homosexuality"......wow.....what a revelation. I suppose the fact that the prophets and disciples described such behavior without giving it a modern English translation (which obviously didn't exist yet) somehow escapes you?

No, the lack of the concept escapes you. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID A SINGLE THING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY you choose to ignore the facts I pointed out only proves your are brain washed.

Post any butchered "biblical" quote where I cannot dispute it in original Hebrew as being lost in translation. And then you will not be a complete charlatan.

The Bible also does not specifically say that sending naked pictures of underage children on the internet is a sin either......nor does it say that cooking crystal meth and selling it in a schoolyard is a sin........as a Christian, I am therefore expected to believe that simply because that exact terminology isn't in the Bible that is no less sinful?..................so, how far are we going to go with this? :roll:

It may not have foreseen the development of technology. But you can't completely dream up some garbage and insert it in to the butchered translations and expect me to swallow it. Unless you think the Bible changed its mind.

You don't know anything about scripture, you really are not a valuable opinion on this.
God judges sin, not I........and He gives us the Holy Spirit (as well as His Word) to act as a guide in such matters. As i stated, I am not passing judgement.........as I am just as sinful as the next person and am no better in God's eyes. Homosexuality is a no worse sin than any other as it too separates us from God's will. The redeeming factor is that it is not unforgiveable and those who repent and ask forgiveness will be saved. The fact that you seem to think that it is a "natural" act in no way reduces the sin nature.

You have completely fabricated this, total nonsense.
One further note........because something seems "natural" does not excuse it from being sinful......as our "natural" world is broken and rife with sin because of man's choices. We live in a sinful world and are born into a sinful nature......this is exactly the reason why we Christians believe/know that Christ's sacrifice was necessary to redeem us. Here is what the book of Jude has to say about "natural" things: :shrug:

You used the Bible quote that they have up what is natural for what is unnatural as defense to your silly fabrication. A homosexual pretending to be a heterosexual is abominable. It just depends on how much you read into the language.

I am glad you are starting to see the unraveling of this nonsense
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Most zoologists agree that there are somewhere around 8.7 million animal species which have been identified on planet Earth thus far. Homosexual behavior has been "well documented for 500 of them" according to your source.........wow.........you still think this is common? This is a small fraction of a percent. If this is how your math justifies a "common" occurrence.............then I don't know your math. :thinking:

*Correction: Science has named approx 1.3 million species but recent studies have put the number which have yet to be identified at somewhere near 7.4 million.......taking into account unexplored regions of the planet.......bringing the estimated total to 8.7 million. Still, 500 is but a small fraction. :shrug:

So common things are God's work?

a person giving a home to a homeless person is uncommon.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes, that's very specific........thank you. :roll:

According to the figures in your source......a married couple would have a better chance of producing six sets of quadruplets before witnessing documented homosexuality in the animal kingdom. :shrug:

Right, right, even though it is common throughout the animal kingdom.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

And "natural" does not always mean "good" either in God's eyes.......see my post above.

So why did you bring up the letter from Paul as the sole straw man in your broken argument?

So its only good when it is something you agree with? Yeah you are a demigod.
 
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never could get to grips with those things.
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No, the lack of the concept escapes you. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID A SINGLE THING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY you choose to ignore the facts I pointed out only proves your are brain washed.

Post any butchered "biblical" quote where I cannot dispute it in original Hebrew as being lost in translation. And then you will not be a complete charlatan.



It may not have foreseen the development of technology. But you can't completely dream up some garbage and insert it in to the butchered translations and expect me to swallow it. Unless you think the Bible changed its mind.

You don't know anything about scripture, you really are not a valuable opinion on this.

You have completely fabricated this, total nonsense.


You used the Bible quote that they have up what is natural for what is unnatural as defense to your silly fabrication. A homosexual pretending to be a heterosexual is abominable. It just depends on how much you read into the language.

I am glad you are starting to see the unraveling of this nonsense

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Corinthians 6:9

Some literal translations from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek use the term "sodomites" in place of "homosexuals" but nearly all Biblical scholars agree it refers to sexual interaction among men.

Again, I've already admitted that I am a sinner and am no more "holy" in that regard than any other sinner....including those who have committed homosexual acts. I've also never stated that homosexuals are doomed to eternal damnation......only that according to God's Word.......it is sin. You are the one being irrational here......you seem to have allowed your emotions and own personal ties to this issue to divert you from a rational discussion. You attempt to paint me as someone who is speaking from a position of condescension.........and that simply is not true.

I'm simply relating to you what I know of scripture and of sin as a person of Faith...........the fact that you feel threatened by my belief really should not come to play in a rational discussion of Biblical context.

"It it not God's will that any should perish, but that ALL should come into eternal life......." this includes ANY sinner, and as a Christian, I feel no differently. :shrug:
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So common things are God's work?

a person giving a home to a homeless person is uncommon.

Your words not mine.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So why did you bring up the letter from Paul as the sole straw man in your broken argument?

So its only good when it is something you agree with? Yeah you are a demigod.

Please show how it was unrelated to your previous statement and was, therefore, a strawman fallacy. I'm not even quite certain that you are fully aware of what constitutes this type of logical fallacy. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I subscribe to more than just a "book".......as true Christians should. :shrug:
I'm not trying to diss christians I'm trying to point out how significantly out dated the views expressed in the bible. My religion is I don't know. There's a reason they call it "faith".
 
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You don't know what I've considered to make a comment like that. I simply find absurd the idea that allowing them to come out means mass rapes will ensue, or the other kids will all become gay or whatever the unspoken fear is. If BSA so badly doesn't want gays to join, they might want to stop recruiting kids younger than 10.
You took me the wrong way while making my point. Exactly, there's already gay people coming out as societies views are changing and massive amounts of rape have not occurred. Why should it be any different with adults?
 
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why do so many people hate gays... I ask where is the studies that proves people are suppose to be straight before asking where are the studies that proves people can be born gay... But if one were so ignorant to skip that, i would show them there are studies of both, if i felt like talking to them.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Some literal translations from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek use the term "sodomites" in place of "homosexuals" but nearly all Biblical scholars agree it refers to sexual interaction among men.

Again, I've already admitted that I am a sinner and am no more "holy" in that regard than any other sinner....including those who have committed homosexual acts. I've also never stated that homosexuals are doomed to eternal damnation......only that according to God's Word.......it is sin. You are the one being irrational here......you seem to have allowed your emotions and own personal ties to this issue to divert you from a rational discussion. You attempt to paint me as someone who is speaking from a position of condescension.........and that simply is not true.

I'm simply relating to you what I know of scripture and of sin as a person of Faith...........the fact that you feel threatened by my belief really should not come to play in a rational discussion of Biblical context.

"It it not God's will that any should perish, but that ALL should come into eternal life......." this includes ANY sinner, and as a Christian, I feel no differently. :shrug:

What a load of misinformed crap. No wonder you are so blind.

The only reference to sodomite was a citizen of Sodom.

arsenokoitai was the improper translation. Doesn't mean sodomite.

Homosexuality isn't a sin nowhere in the Bible is it established that way.

You are relaying demonic lies. You are serving the dark one. You have no clue what it says.

Nobody should listen to you at all about biblical scripture. You are blatantly misinformed.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Please show how it was unrelated to your previous statement and was, therefore, a strawman fallacy. I'm not even quite certain that you are fully aware of what constitutes this type of logical fallacy. :shrug:

read the Bible again very carefully.
 
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