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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1

There is nothing wrong with gays and no reason you can't be gay. That isn't my place to tell you what is right and what is wrong. Despite this, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my son to a camp where I know there will be gay people.
 
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FluffyNinja said:
In Paul's letter to the Romans, Chapter 1, verses 26-27, he describes homosexual acts among both men and women clearly in ANY and ALL translations that I have read.....including Greek and Hebrew text. Here it is in the widely acepted English Standard Version:
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Clearly it describes heterosexual women cheating on their husbands with women. Giving up what comes naturally to a heterosexual is engaging in homosexuality. A homosexual acting as a heterosexual is the same sin.

You didn't read carefully.

FluffyNinja said:
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
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So straight women having gay sex Iss what we are discussing here. Gay women however are naturally attracted to the same gender, so this verse only applies to heterosexual, homosexuals are not mentioned

FluffyNinja said:
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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Again this passage is only referring to heterosexuals.

Remember when I said to read carefully, you are interpreting this through the prism of bias. Homosexuality comes natural to homosexuals.

FluffyNinja said:
God "gave them over" to their lustful passions.......meaning He separated Himself from them.........the very definition of "sin" is that which "misses the Mark" or separates us from God... In the original Greek text the term for "sin" is actually hamartia......which translates "missing the mark", as in archery. :shrug:
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But as I explained above the passage is about heterosexuals who cheat on their spouses with the same gender. Nothing mentioned about homosexuals at all.

Like I said the Bible really never even mentions homosexuals in the least
 
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FluffyNinja said:
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their :
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Expecting a homosexual person to give up their natural relationships with their own gender to engage in relations that go against their nature?

The Bible explicitly speaks against that. It is a sin by these passages for a person to go against their nature.
 
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libertarian2016 said:
There is nothing wrong with gays and no reason you can't be gay. That isn't my place to tell you what is right and what is wrong. Despite this, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my son to a camp where I know there will be gay people.
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Are you worried that they will influence your son to be gay?
 
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libertarian2016 said:
There is nothing wrong with gays and no reason you can't be gay. That isn't my place to tell you what is right and what is wrong. Despite this, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my son to a camp where I know there will be gay people.
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open or closeted?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Clearly it describes heterosexual women cheating on their husbands with women. Giving up what comes naturally to a heterosexual is engaging in homosexuality. A homosexual acting as a heterosexual is the same sin.

You didn't read carefully.


So straight women having gay sex Iss what we are discussing here. Gay women however are naturally attracted to the same gender, so this verse only applies to heterosexual, homosexuals are not mentioned


Again this passage is only referring to heterosexuals.

Remember when I said to read carefully, you are interpreting this through the prism of bias. Homosexuality comes natural to homosexuals.


But as I explained above the passage is about heterosexuals who cheat on their spouses with the same gender. Nothing mentioned about homosexuals at all.

Like I said the Bible really never even mentions homosexuals in the least
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Lol, whatever you think......:roll:

Life (and scripture) is always much more tolerable when viewed through rose-colored glasses my friend. :lol:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Expecting a homosexual person to give up their natural relationships with their own gender to engage in relations that go against their nature?

The Bible explicitly speaks against that. It is a sin by these passages for a person to go against their nature.
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Point is.....it isn't "natural" ........and according to scripture.....never was. Even Plato and Aristotle agreed and detested the homosexual behaviors among their colleagues..........and neither of them could have ever been influenced by Judeo-Christian beliefs anyway.....as Christ didn't exist yet. :shrug:

Personally, I could care less what one's sexual preference is........it does not affect my life, relationships, or faith in the least. ..........but please do not insult my faith or my intelligence by trying to convince me that the Bible (and thus God, Christ, or any of the Disciples or Apostles) would have defended homosexual relationships as part of God's "natural" order.

Remember though,.........I'm not the One keeping score here. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
Point is.....it isn't "natural" ........and according to scripture.....never was. Even Plato and Aristotle agreed and detested the homosexual behaviors among their colleagues..........and neither of them could have ever been influenced by Judeo-Christian beliefs anyway.....as Christ didn't exist yet. :shrug:
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Yes it is natural, all evidence points to it. Plato and Aristotle are not profits and their opinion is their own.

Don't sit there and pretend that the Bible says anything regarding homosexuality.

Its every bit as natural as heterosexuality. I an not arrogant enough to pretend that I know gods plan.


FluffyNinja said:
Personally, I could care less what one's sexual preference is........it does not affect my life, relationships, or faith in the least. ..........but please do not insult my faith or my intelligence by trying to convince me that the Bible (and thus God, Christ, or any of the Disciples or Apostles) would have defended homosexual relationships as part of God's "natural" order.
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Don't insult my faith and interference with your poor reading skills.

Post a single passage that supports your position, I can't find a single one in the Bible.

If you are that weak minded that you are insulted because you can't read and comprehend the language in the Bible perhaps you are the one with the issue.
FluffyNinja said:
Remember though,.........I'm not the One keeping score here. :shrug:
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Not the one to ask about biblical meaning either.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
Lol, whatever you think......:roll:
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I take it you are remiss as to your previous assessment of biblical meaning.


FluffyNinja said:
Life (and scripture) is always much more tolerable when viewed through rose-colored glasses my friend. :lol:
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speak for yourself
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If homosexuality is not natural, why does it occur in animals other than humans? Are they not a part of the natural world?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Dittohead not! said:
If homosexuality is not natural, why does it occur in animals other than humans? Are they not a part of the natural world?
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Its perfectly natural, fluffy ninja has been told how to interpret the Bible. That is a very dangerous thing to do, but he does it at his own peril. The thing that bothers me is that that misguided nonsense is the general consensus of the Christian faith. No biblical support exists to support such hokem.

But narrow is the gate, and forget Jesus's prime commandments. Christians can be such utter hypocrites and complete slaves to opinion that is not at all biblical. Sad and pathetic that people don't use their God given talents to see through the evil perpetrated by the various churches.

Anybody with the slightest independent thought I hope can read the truths I spoke and see past the perpetuation of the lie and darkness forwarded by some who call themselves Christians.

Again to anybody not brainwashed by the demonic twisting of scripture can discuss it with me.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Its perfectly natural, fluffy ninja has been told how to interpret the Bible. That is a very dangerous thing to do, but he does it at his own peril. The thing that bothers me is that that misguided nonsense is the general consensus of the Christian faith. No biblical support exists to support such hokem.

But narrow is the gate, and forget Jesus's prime commandments. Christians can be such utter hypocrites and complete slaves to opinion that is not at all biblical. Sad and pathetic that people don't use their God given talents to see through the evil perpetrated by the various churches.

Anybody with the slightest independent thought I hope can read the truths I spoke and see past the perpetuation of the lie and darkness forwarded by some who call themselves Christians.

Again to anybody not brainwashed by the demonic twisting of scripture can discuss it with me.
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Perhaps god made homosexuals as a way to test the rest of us.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Dittohead not! said:
Perhaps god made homosexuals as a way to test the rest of us.
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Perhaps. If he created me to mock his plan, he is a God of madness.

A simi being of infinite knowledge doesn't seem to be the kind to create something that mocks his own plan, fluffy ninja would have me believe that as would others who call themselves Christian.

The standard crap about it being a choice is total hypocrisy, if homosexuality is a choice than so is heterosexuality, and nether is natural.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Perhaps. If he created me to mock his plan, he is a God of madness.

A simi being of infinite knowledge doesn't seem to be the kind to create something that mocks his own plan, fluffy ninja would have me believe that as would others who call themselves Christian.

The standard crap about it being a choice is total hypocrisy, if homosexuality is a choice than so is heterosexuality, and nether is natural.
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I think you'll find the religious arguments that relate to "scriptures" works like the following:

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Dittohead not! said:
If homosexuality is not natural, why does it occur in animals other than humans? Are they not a part of the natural world?
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How often does it occur? Would you say that, based on the total number of species on planet Earth and the few instances where it has been observed in a select few species that it is a "common" occurrence or does it lean more toward being a "rare" behavior?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Its perfectly natural, fluffy ninja has been told how to interpret the Bible. That is a very dangerous thing to do, but he does it at his own peril. The thing that bothers me is that that misguided nonsense is the general consensus of the Christian faith. No biblical support exists to support such hokem.

But narrow is the gate, and forget Jesus's prime commandments. Christians can be such utter hypocrites and complete slaves to opinion that is not at all biblical. Sad and pathetic that people don't use their God given talents to see through the evil perpetrated by the various churches.

Anybody with the slightest independent thought I hope can read the truths I spoke and see past the perpetuation of the lie and darkness forwarded by some who call themselves Christians.

Again to anybody not brainwashed by the demonic twisting of scripture can discuss it with me.
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If you don't think that Paul is referring to homosexual behavior among men in chapter 1 of his letter to the Romans, then I'm sorry.......I just don't know what else to say. This behavior was not common (or natural) among the general Hebrew tribes, nor among the devout Jews under Mosaic Law. I'm sorry, but God, through His prophets, (not profits as you posted earlier) made it abundantly clear what His plans were regarding man and woman.......it involved marriage and procreation...........not same-sex relationships.

My "interpretation" of scripture really has nothing to do with it at all.......it simply is what it is. You are either sadly misled or are simply choosing to be intellectually dishonest here regarding Biblical scripture..........I just can't figure out which. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
Perhaps. If he created me to mock his plan, he is a God of madness.

A simi being of infinite knowledge doesn't seem to be the kind to create something that mocks his own plan, fluffy ninja would have me believe that as would others who call themselves Christian.

The standard crap about it being a choice is total hypocrisy, if homosexuality is a choice than so is heterosexuality, and nether is natural.
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No He is not a God of madness.....but rather, one of intricate plans and design. He designed mankind with the gift of free will........when man chooses to sin, he does so of his own volition..........you would imply that God would create something imperfect...........but He did not create sin. By free will man has chosen a path which separates him from God's will. Perhaps you are having some difficulty understanding the connotations of Biblical sin? :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
If you don't think that Paul is referring to homosexual behavior among men in chapter 1 of his letter to the Romans, then I'm sorry.......I just don't know what else to say. This behavior was not common (or natural) among the general Hebrew tribes, nor among the devout Jews under Mosaic Law. I'm sorry, but God, through His prophets, (not profits as you posted earlier) made it abundantly clear what His plans were regarding man and woman.......it involved marriage and procreation...........not same-sex relationships.

My "interpretation" of scripture really has nothing to do with it at all.......it simply is what it is. You are either sadly misled or are simply choosing to be intellectually dishonest here regarding Biblical scripture..........I just can't figure out which. :shrug:
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Paul was referring to heterosexuals practicing homosexuality, you only really have to have a basic grasp of English to know that I spoke truth
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
No He is not a God of madness.....but rather, one of intricate plans and design. He designed mankind with the gift of free will........when man chooses to sin, he does so of his own volition..........you would imply that God would create something imperfect...........but He did not create sin. By free will man has chosen a path which separates him from God's will. Perhaps you are having some difficulty understanding the connotations of Biblical sin? :shrug:
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You haven't established that it is a sin.
 
Re: Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1

libertarian2016 said:
There is nothing wrong with gays and no reason you can't be gay. That isn't my place to tell you what is right and what is wrong. Despite this, I wouldn't feel comfortable sending my son to a camp where I know there will be gay people.
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Sorry, but i don't understand this. Law of large numbers says that's pretty much unavoidable. All the current policy accomplishes is to force them in the closet.
 
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chromium said:
Sorry, but i don't understand this. Law of large numbers says that's pretty much unavoidable. All the current policy accomplishes is to force them in the closet.
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Chances are, you're already doing that. You forget about the rest of the children.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
How often does it occur? Would you say that, based on the total number of species on planet Earth and the few instances where it has been observed in a select few species that it is a "common" occurrence or does it lean more toward being a "rare" behavior?
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Rare doesn't mean unnatural. For leaf clovers are rare but they are natural.

Common had nothing to do with it.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

FluffyNinja said:
If you don't think that Paul is referring to homosexual behavior among men in chapter 1 of his letter to the Romans, then I'm sorry.......I just don't know what else to say. This behavior was not common (or natural) among the general Hebrew tribes, nor among the devout Jews under Mosaic Law. I'm sorry, but God, through His prophets, (not profits as you posted earlier) made it abundantly clear what His plans were regarding man and woman.......it involved marriage and procreation...........not same-sex relationships.

My "interpretation" of scripture really has nothing to do with it at all.......it simply is what it is. You are either sadly misled or are simply choosing to be intellectually dishonest here regarding Biblical scripture..........I just can't figure out which. :shrug:
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Let's not forget we're talking about book that takes the time to condemn hair cuts and working on sundays, but does't have single sentence condemning slavery.
 
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sbrettt said:
Let's not forget we're talking about book that takes the time to condemn hair cuts and working on sundays, but does't have single sentence condemning slavery.
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It doesn't condemn homosexuality. Never once was it mentioned anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality was wrong.

Some silly beings are completely controlled by the heard mentality. In this thread one said his priest's word was good enough to base his life on. That is what we call a brain dead sheep. how pathetic some jerk in a robe is the perfect emassary of the almighty? Dopes worship churches and robes and crooks that steal their money.

Starting too think the problem with christianity is Christians.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

CLAX1911 said:
It doesn't condemn homosexuality. Never once was it mentioned anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality was wrong.

Some silly beings are completely controlled by the heard mentality. In this thread one said his priest's word was good enough to base his life on. That is what we call a brain dead sheep. how pathetic some jerk in a robe is the perfect emassary of the almighty? Dopes worship churches and robes and crooks that steal their money.

Starting too think the problem with christianity is Christians.
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Some christians, not all of them.
 
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