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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

wolfie said:
No..scared they are going to inflict their gayness onto a small child..

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Yes, but you have also made up ridiculous stories about your having all sorts of gay friends who lurk in public restrooms to ambush those poor, defenseless straight men and how your lovers have had 12 inch penises, so I would advise anybody who reads your rantings to take them with a grain of salt.
 
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wolfie said:
I know homosexuality isn't contagious..but I would like a child to discover their homosexuality when the time is right..not some dirty confusing fumbles at scout camp with an adult...
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that's a different argument. an adult gay scout master isn't the same as an adult pedophile scout master.
 
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Gardener said:
Yes, but you have also made up ridiculous stories about your having all sorts of gay friends who lurk in public restrooms to ambush those poor, defenseless straight men and how your lovers have had 12 inch penises, so I would advise anybody who reads your rantings to take them with a grain of salt.
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I think you may be a tad over exaggerating here..I had one lover with a 12 incher..some men do..

Sorry if you haven't..

My gay friends are not ''all sorts'' they are just gay..

As I don't feel I have to prove my posts to you...Take them or leave them..

One thing I have never been is a liar...:cool:
 
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wolfie said:
I find it a quite disturbing opinion..from a man...

I also think that it is true...

But also..most sexual attacks and long term abuse are usually committed by a close family member...
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That is true.

My opinion is what matters is character not sexual orientation. Just because a man is gay does not mean he is a bad person or he will be pushing a "gay is okay" agenda on kids. Most gay men do not define themselves only by their sexual preference and you would not know they were gay unless you asked or saw them with their partner. Scouts is not a place for talking about sex and any responsible adult would refer children to their parents if sexual themes of any sort came up. Really this thing is a non issue. Parents should always know who their kids around.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Actually that is the smart view. Under your logic you would have allowed your kids to go to camp with Jerry Sandusky because he was a married heterosexual man but you would not allow your kids around an openly gay man even if you knew his character was excellent. That is sad and it is that baseless assumption that heterosexual men never molest boys that puts many children in danger.
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That is generally what I was thinking.

You can never be sure that any man whom you barely know is not another Jerry Sandusky...no matter what he seems like.
 
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CriticalThought said:
That is true.

My opinion is what matters is character not sexual orientation. Just because a man is gay does not mean he is a bad person or he will be pushing a "gay is okay" agenda on kids. Most gay men do not define themselves only by their sexual preference and you would not know they were gay unless you asked or saw them with their partner. Scouts is not a place for talking about sex and any responsible adult would refer children to their parents if sexual themes of any sort came up. Really this thing is a non issue. Parents should always know who their kids around.
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Do you ever know who they are around??

My friend's parents used to know a really quiet, well spoken, shy man named Peter..They used to drink together..his name was Peter Sutcliffe..

Later known as the ''Yorkshire Ripper''

Peter Sutcliffe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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DA60 said:
That is generally what I was thinking.

You can never be sure that any man whom you barely know is not another Jerry Sandusky...no matter what he seems like.
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Do you understand the difference between "gay" and "pedophile"?
 
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Gardener said:
Yes, but you have also made up ridiculous stories about your having all sorts of gay friends who lurk in public restrooms to ambush those poor, defenseless straight men and how your lovers have had 12 inch penises, so I would advise anybody who reads your rantings to take them with a grain of salt.
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I love Mango. I would trust my son around....

 
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Removable Mind said:
Do you understand the difference between "gay" and "pedophile"?
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Yes...but you are missing the point.

Whether they are openly gay or not is irrelevant to me.

No man whom I don't know EXTREMELY well (like a very, VERY close friend/relative) would I trust to go camping with my son.
 
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wolfie said:
I know homosexuality isn't contagious..but I would like a child to discover their homosexuality when the time is right..not some dirty confusing fumbles at scout camp with an adult...
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Much of what man learns and discovers occurs under not the best of conditions....dirty, fumbling, confusing....life can be a bitch, particularly for a homosexual..
JMO..
This stuff does happen at camp....but the odds one in a million....and there is nothing we can do, but, at all times, keep the communication lines open..between the adult and the child...
 
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DA60 said:
Yes...but you are missing the point.

Whether they are openly gay or not is irrelevant to me.

No man whom I don't know EXTREMELY well (like a very, VERY close friend/relative) would I trust to go camping with my son.
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Then , your son is being overly protected and may never experience camp with his peers... and many other experiences..
 
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wolfie said:
Do you ever know who they are around??

My friend's parents used to know a really quiet, well spoken, shy man named Peter..They used to drink together..his name was Peter Sutcliffe..

Later known as the ''Yorkshire Ripper''

Peter Sutcliffe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Psychopaths are a category in and of themselves. I work in a prison and deal with them on a daily basis. They can be quite charming and intelligent.
 
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earthworm said:
Then , your son is being overly protected and may never experience camp with his peers... and many other experiences..
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Do young boys need to go to scout camp??

There is no such thing as overly protected children...

Only attentative parents...

Don't tell me you've never had a nasty experience??
 
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DA60 said:
That is generally what I was thinking.

You can never be sure that any man whom you barely know is not another Jerry Sandusky...no matter what he seems like.
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True. You could even know a person inside and out and they could still turn out to be a twisted son of a bitch. I think what is most important is teaching kids to protect themselves by letting adults know what is going on at the first sign of trouble.
 
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wolfie said:
Why is it a strange comparison?

Fire burns..

Water can drown you...

Vicious dogs can bite you..

Doesn't mean to say they will...

But they have the potential!
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But, the thing is, from having read these 1841 pages of posts, and lived 73 years, the fear of homos is unfounded, as is the fear of dogs, fires and deep places..
Replace the fear with knowledge.....and respect....
 
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CriticalThought said:
True. You could even know a person inside and out and they could still turn out to be a twisted son of a bitch. I think what is most important is teaching kids to protect themselves by letting adults know what is going on at the first sign of trouble.
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But children are vulnerable..they will obey an adult..look at the Hitler youth..ordered to carry out semi-nude gymnastics in the woods..
 
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wolfie said:
Do young boys need to go to scout camp?? I think so, but it is most optional, there are many other things to do.

There is no such thing as overly protected children... Totally disagree....

Only attentative parents...

Don't tell me you've never had a nasty experience?? yes, I think so and I wish they were escapable, but they are NOT.
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And parents cannot be 100% attentive, the team effort helps.
 
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I do not think that semi-nude gymnastics are "over the top".
Children are vulnerable - true - but being bought up by two loving parents eases this...and the team effort helps.
 
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earthworm said:
Then , your son is being overly protected and may never experience camp with his peers... and many other experiences..
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Overly protected?

Ask the boys that Jerry Sandusky molested if there is such a thing as 'overly protected'.

And the thousands of boys raped by priests.

And so on....
 
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earthworm said:
But, the thing is, from having read these 1841 pages of posts, and lived 73 years, the fear of homos is unfounded, as is the fear of dogs, fires and deep places..
Replace the fear with knowledge.....and respect....
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Agreed.

The really sad thing is how many parents ignored their kids when they said some family friend or trusted member of the community 'touched me in a bad place'. And the parents just assumed the person in question was 'not like that'?
 
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DA60 said:
Overly protected?

Ask the boys that Jerry Sandusky molested if there is such a thing as 'overly protected'.

And the thousands of boys raped by priests.

And so on....
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You aren't going to let your kids go to college?
 
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earthworm said:
I do not think that semi-nude gymnastics are "over the top".
Children are vulnerable - true - but being bought up by two loving parents eases this...and the team effort helps.
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I agree..you can't protect your children against everything..but you can tell them what is right..and what is wrong..
 
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Navy Pride said:

If that is so why did almost 100% of the gay priests molest only boys?
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wut? Prove to me that 100% of the gay priests molested boys. I bet you can't.
 
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Thorgasm said:
You aren't going to let your kids go to college?
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Kids don't (usually) go to college...adults/old teenagers do - their lives are there own by then.

Btw - a 'kid' to me is 13 and under (possibly under 16 depending on the subject).
 
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