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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No, I most certainly don't know everything. There is no "God," (that I've seen evidence for at least) so obviously I don't know why he/she/it does things. I simply think people should have a better reason for believing something than "a character in a book said so." As far as me only antagonizing, that's not true. I stated my opinion and discussed my reasoning with wolfie.
Well, I'm not wolfie bro. I don't read every post you put in a thread.
As far as God goes, those that claim they know why He does everthing He does are the most dangerous people on earth IMO. Why? Because they can get new and naive believers to do whatever they want. I will never claim to know everything.
Sometimes we follow the rules without fully understanding the reason the rule is in place. We do it everyday in society. I don't understand why you have such a hard time understanding a Christian doing the same. Maybe it's more that you don't want to understand.
 
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Well, I'm not wolfie bro. I don't read every post you put in a thread.
As far as God goes, those that claim they know why He does everthing He does are the most dangerous people on earth IMO. Why? Because they can get new and naive believers to do whatever they want. I will never claim to know everything.
Sometimes we follow the rules without fully understanding the reason the rule is in place. We do it everyday in society. I don't understand why you have such a hard time understanding a Christian doing the same. Maybe it's more that you don't want to understand.

I didn't say you were wolfie "bro." I said I'm not just here to antagonize.

I have never claimed to know everything either. I can't quite tell in this post, are you saying I claim to know why God does everything? I'm guessing no, since I don't believe in a god/gods. If you're talking about yourself, well I'm not asking you to say you know why your God does what he does. I'm asking you to give a reason for calling something a sin other than positing some perfect being, that we have no object proof of, and saying "he said so."

I agree we sometimes follow the rules without full understanding them, but I've not seen ANY reason given in the Bible for homosexuality being a sin. Plus, in your case, you seem to have no problem with gay marriage. Is that not a sin? Does the Bible not say that marriage is between a man and a woman? I honestly don't know for sure if it does, but some people have claimed as such. Why do you ignore that? Do you have a reason for being OK with gay marriage (where they'll likely have lots of gay sex), since I don't think God said gay marriage should be allowed?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, I'm not wolfie bro. I don't read every post you put in a thread.
As far as God goes, those that claim they know why He does everthing He does are the most dangerous people on earth IMO. Why? Because they can get new and naive believers to do whatever they want. I will never claim to know everything.
Sometimes we follow the rules without fully understanding the reason the rule is in place. We do it everyday in society. I don't understand why you have such a hard time understanding a Christian doing the same. Maybe it's more that you don't want to understand.

I am a Wiccan..I do not believe in ''God''..

I believe we have an inborn reasoning of what is right and what is wrong..

I have studied the Bible..Torah..Koran...and it seems to me that religions take out the bits that suit their cause..and ignore the rest..

Th Wiccans philosophy is ''do the best you can..help people..love people, nature and trust our instincts''

More evil has been done in the name of the ''Church'' than for any other reason..every war...every inhumanity..

Besides..when I go into a church..it makes my skin crawl...smells like a funeral directors...there is no joy..no happiness...just depression..
 
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Would you let your son post on the internet if there were openly gay people there?

I would. I would encourage them to do so. Gay people are usually more intelligent, imo.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

I would. I would encourage them to do so. Gay people are usually more intelligent, imo.

Do you honestly think that a gay man would be talking to your son about the Pyramids..Meaning of life...without bringing his sexuality into it...
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

Do you honestly think that a gay man would be talking to your son about the Pyramids..Meaning of life...without bringing his sexuality into it...

Of course.

Are you insinuating that gays are pedofiles?
 
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Of course.

Are you insinuating that gays are pedofiles?

Nope..but I would not like my son to post or receive posts from an openly homosexual guy..

I would be watching like a hawk...

Ever heard of grooming??...

Why would an adult male want to talk to a child???
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

Nope..but I would not like my son to post or receive posts from an openly homosexual guy..

I would be watching like a hawk...

Ever heard of grooming??...

Why would an adult male want to talk to a child???

You mean you don't talk to children? I do. I love children!
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

You mean you don't talk to children? I do. I love children!

I love children too!!

I talk to children when they are with their mothers..or a guardian...I do not talk to children on-line....
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I didn't say you were wolfie "bro." I said I'm not just here to antagonize.

I have never claimed to know everything either. I can't quite tell in this post, are you saying I claim to know why God does everything? I'm guessing no, since I don't believe in a god/gods. If you're talking about yourself, well I'm not asking you to say you know why your God does what he does. I'm asking you to give a reason for calling something a sin other than positing some perfect being, that we have no object proof of, and saying "he said so."

I agree we sometimes follow the rules without full understanding them, but I've not seen ANY reason given in the Bible for homosexuality being a sin. Plus, in your case, you seem to have no problem with gay marriage. Is that not a sin? Does the Bible not say that marriage is between a man and a woman? I honestly don't know for sure if it does, but some people have claimed as such. Why do you ignore that? Do you have a reason for being OK with gay marriage (where they'll likely have lots of gay sex), since I don't think God said gay marriage should be allowed?
I never said I didn't have a problem with gay marriage. I have a problem with the gov't dictating gay marriage. I don't think they should be in the business of dictating what we do in our personal lives. I also don't believe I should be able to make others do anything just because I believe it. I do believe gay marriage is wrong however.
As far as where the Bible says it's wrong, this is the most direct passage in the Bible about it:
Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I am a Wiccan..I do not believe in ''God''..

I believe we have an inborn reasoning of what is right and what is wrong..

I have studied the Bible..Torah..Koran...and it seems to me that religions take out the bits that suit their cause..and ignore the rest..

Th Wiccans philosophy is ''do the best you can..help people..love people, nature and trust our instincts''

More evil has been done in the name of the ''Church'' than for any other reason..every war...every inhumanity..

Besides..when I go into a church..it makes my skin crawl...smells like a funeral directors...there is no joy..no happiness...just depression..
I don't get into the business of criticizing other's religions unless they really want to discuss the validity of their religion. So I will refrain from entering into this line of debate with you.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay memb

I love children too!!

I talk to children when they are with their mothers..or a guardian...I do not talk to children on-line....

why not?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why do we have a mens restroom and a womens rest room? The lines have become so crossed and skewed that the reasons dont really matter anymore. It used to be that they were seperated so the guy cant get a peek and the girl and vice versa. Only now, the gay guy can go into the mens restroom and take peeks all he wants. Frankly it makes me uncomfortable to be in a restroom with a gay guy for that very reason. I feel the same way about sending my son to scout camp with a gay scout or scout leader because i dont want my son having to worry about sexual advances from another man. I wouldnt let my daughter go sleep in a tent with a straight boy for the same reason, makes perfect sense to me. As far as gays in scouting, i see no reason why they should be banned, but i also see no problem with them forming their own troops.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why do we have a mens restroom and a womens rest room? The lines have become so crossed and skewed that the reasons dont really matter anymore. It used to be that they were seperated so the guy cant get a peek and the girl and vice versa. Only now, the gay guy can go into the mens restroom and take peeks all he wants. Frankly it makes me uncomfortable to be in a restroom with a gay guy for that very reason. I feel the same way about sending my son to scout camp with a gay scout or scout leader because i dont want my son having to worry about sexual advances from another man. I wouldnt let my daughter go sleep in a tent with a straight boy for the same reason, makes perfect sense to me. As far as gays in scouting, i see no reason why they should be banned, but i also see no problem with them forming their own troops.
So, what you're basically saying is that you're afraid gay men will treat you as how most heterosexual men treat women on a routine basis?

Chicks get groped, slapped, touched, hit-on, stalked, cat-called, stared at, etc. at bars and at work and on public transit and just about everywhere you can imagine there's interaction with guys. They deal with it on a regular basis with the utmost classiness imaginable.

But, since you're afraid that some guy is going to look at your willy, we have to outlaw gays and treat them differently?
 
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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So, what you're basically saying is that you're afraid gay men will treat you as how most heterosexual men treat women on a routine basis?

Chicks get groped, slapped, touched, hit-on, stalked, cat-called, stared at, etc. at bars and at work and on public transit and just about everywhere you can imagine there's interaction with guys. They deal with it on a regular basis with the utmost classiness imaginable.

But, since you're afraid that some guy is going to look at your willy, we have to outlaw gays and treated them differently?

Yes thats exactly what im afraid of. Just because it happens to women every day doesnt make it right, nor does it mean that it doesnt happen to men either. I shouldnt have to endure it from a gay man either. One wrong doesnt excuse another does it? I dont want another guy looking at my "willy" and i should have that right shouldnt i? And i never said they should be outlawed did i?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes thats exactly what im afraid of. Just because it happens to women every day doesnt make it right, nor does it mean that it doesnt happen to men either. I shouldnt have to endure it from a gay man either. One wrong doesnt excuse another does it? I dont want another guy looking at my "willy" and i should have that right shouldnt i? And i never said they should be outlawed did i?

Don't ever join the military if you don't like men looking at your willy.:mrgreen:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Don't ever join the military if you don't like men looking at your willy.:mrgreen:

Gee thanks for the advice. Im pretty sure there are plenty of men in the military who dont LIKE other men looking at their junk in a sexual way.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Gee thanks for the advice. Im pretty sure there are plenty of men in the military who dont LIKE other men looking at their junk in a sexual way.

Yeah, the dirty ones who never take a shower.
 
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As we seldom if ever know the mental ages of fellow Interneters, and judging from what is said, we do indeed "talk" with children..all too frequently...
so, Wolfie...unbeknowest to thee......
And the Avenger is right...we should speak DIRECTly to children....as much as possible....AND ...if qualified to do so....it is quite the responsibility..
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes thats exactly what im afraid of. Just because it happens to women every day doesnt make it right, nor does it mean that it doesnt happen to men either. I shouldnt have to endure it from a gay man either. One wrong doesnt excuse another does it? I dont want another guy looking at my "willie" and i should have that right shouldnt i?
I just find it incredibly amusing. One half of our society deals with this behavior on a constant basis, but you have it in your head that you're the only victim of unwanted sexual attraction. You're not. It happens to all of us. Don't get yourself in a tizzy if it ever happen. Let it slid, walk-away and laugh about it later. I do it as much as every woman has ever done it.

To add to that, as a gay guy, your willie (and probable hairy beer gut) isn't something that I would ever want to look at. Such behavior is unacceptable, sexual harassment and all around rude. You're making us out as some sort of vicious monsters, which I and all of my friends -- both gay and straight -- certainly are not. We are all human and have the exact same beliefs and wishes about privacy as you do.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yeah, the dirty ones who never take a shower.

I shower every day, and i dont enjoy the thought of another man checking me out. People shouldnt have to go without bathing in order to avoid it either.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yeah, the dirty ones who never take a shower.
They did not exist for long....not after a GI administered shower with GI (lye) soap and a GI brush !
And practicing (whatever that means) homosexuals were discharged less than honorabily.....back in the day....
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I just find it incredibly amusing. One half of our society deals with this behavior on a constant basis, but you have it in your head that you're the only victim of unwanted sexual attraction. You're not. It happens to all of us. Don't get yourself in a tizzy if it ever happen. Let it slid, walk-away and laugh about it later. I do it as much as every woman has ever done it.

To add to that, as a gay guy, your willie (and probable hairy beer gut) isn't something that I would ever want to look at. Such behavior is unacceptable, sexual harassment and all around rude. You're making us out as some sort of vicious monsters, which I and all of my friends -- both gay and straight -- certainly are not. We are all human and have the exact same beliefs and wishes about privacy as you do.

You are arguing about things i havent even mentioned. You are putting words in my mouth. I never called you vicious monsters, and i never said sexual harassment in any form is tolerable. Im saying that much like straight men and straight women are in seperate bathrooms for reasons of decency, so too should straight men and gay men (and women) be seperated for the same reasons. Im not accusing you personally of anything, but if you dont think there are gay guys out there getting their jollies off seeing guys in the bathroom, your wrong, and its not fair for me as a straight man to have to put up with it if i want to use a public toilet. i believe one of the prerequisites of being a gay man, is being sexually attracted to other men right? I dont think my son should have to sleep next to a gay male if he wants to enjoy the benefits of scout camp. Again, im not saying they should be banned from scouting, i am saying we should have the option of not being forced to be around them when we dont want to be. Why do you think they dont throw boy scouts and girl scouts in the same showers and tents together?? Scouting has already had their problems with scout leaders taking advantage of young scouts, so dont tell me it cant and wont happen.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I never said I didn't have a problem with gay marriage. I have a problem with the gov't dictating gay marriage. I don't think they should be in the business of dictating what we do in our personal lives. I also don't believe I should be able to make others do anything just because I believe it. I do believe gay marriage is wrong however.
As far as where the Bible says it's wrong, this is the most direct passage in the Bible about it:
Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

I never said I should be able to make people do things either. However, I don't have a problem with ridiculing people if they call people sinners but can't explain why the sin is a sin, other than quoting a book that essentially just says "This is bad" and doesn't say why. I suppose the Romans passage comes a bit closer to why it is supposedly a sin by calling it "unnatural," but then again the Bible is wrong since we've witnessed gay sex happening naturally in nature. However, it still doesn't make sense to forbid something/ call something a sin just because they consider it unnatural. It's hurting no one.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

We've already established that this is nothing but something you made up since you refuse to post any proof.

Therefore, your comment is incorrect and irrelevant.

Come on CC, this is undisputable.......Just take one look at the priests and who they abused......It was almost all boys.......There may have been a few straight pedophiles molested girls but not that many


Its really funny how people from the left do not wish to debate the topic of the thread (not you CC).......They continue to move it off topic....well I am done here unless we can stay on topic......You people can talk about anything you want on this threadypu won't get a peep from me unless it is the topic of the thread..
 
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