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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp

Again for the 100th time....This is not about you.........This about 10 or 11 year old boys sleeping at camp in close quarters with openly gay boys!!!!

U.S. society isn't ready for it, they still have separate male/female toilets, showers, gym's etc. Until U.S. society moves beyond these hangups then yes, it's still an issue.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So which is better, a person who is honest about their sexual preference, or a person who lies about their sexual preference?

The worst thing about lying about sexual preference is when the individual lies to himself. If there were less of a stigma, if people would just accept that some people are born that way, then there would be less of a motivation to try to be something that they're not.

I knew long before I knew about the birds and bees that there was a different sort of feeling being around girls than being around boys. No one talked about sexuality when I was a kid (1950s), but there was no denying the feelings. At least now the taboo has been lifted, but the silly nonsense about homosexuality still persists.

So, no, homosexuality is not a contagious disease, is not, in fact, a disease at all. If it were, perhaps a vaccine could be developed.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Being around gay people does not make one gay, nor is being around straight people going to make a gay person straight, that is just how the world works.
Sorry, but until science gives us some answers then neither of us has anything
to work with except hunch and the historical record, and so far you have offered
nothing on the record.


Also, for children, there is no such thing as a heterosexual, or homosexual camp, so there might be a gay kid there, doesn't mean they are going to be doing anything differently. Just makes no sense, and your views on this stem from ignorance.
Children are capable of recognizing overt homosexuality in camp and anywhere else.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Sorry, but until science gives us some answers then neither of us has anything
to work with except hunch and the historical record, and so far you have offered
nothing on the record.



Children are capable of recognizing overt homosexuality in camp and anywhere else.

One thing science can tell you: Homosexuality is not catching.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

One thing science can tell you: Homosexuality is not catching.
The issue is whether environmental influences can promote homosexual development
which would not occur absent those influences.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The issue is whether environmental influences can promote homosexual development
which would not occur absent those influences.

and the answer is that, by the time the individual reaches the ripe old age of 11 or so, sexual preference is already hard wired. It is most likely hard wired at birth. Going to a camp that includes openly gay campers, being raised by openly gay parents, being taught that gay bashing is wrong, none of that makes anyone gay.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So which is better, a person who is honest about their sexual preference, or a person who lies about their sexual preference?
What does that have to do with anything Star? Typical bait question from you about a topic you are typically combative about.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

What does that have to do with anything Star? Typical bait question from you about a topic you are typically combative about.

How is this a bait question? Because gay people exist, and we aren't going away, nor should our lives be negatively effect because some people think how we were born is wrong. You say you don't want your kid around gay people who aren't in the closet, but in order for that to be, then they have to lie, and you said you don't want your kids around liars either. So which would you rather have, them being around gay people, or liars? Or will you stop this nonsense about being scared of gay people? Because we don't harm children, and are normal ****ing people, and if you can't see that, well that is your problem.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The issue is whether environmental influences can promote homosexual development
which would not occur absent those influences.

I believe it definitely does.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I believe it definitely does.

Well, if you believe it, then it must be so, whether there is a scintilla of evidence for your belief or not.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The worst thing about lying about sexual preference is when the individual lies to himself. If there were less of a stigma, if people would just accept that some people are born that way, then there would be less of a motivation to try to be something that they're not.

I knew long before I knew about the birds and bees that there was a different sort of feeling being around girls than being around boys. No one talked about sexuality when I was a kid (1950s), but there was no denying the feelings. At least now the taboo has been lifted, but the silly nonsense about homosexuality still persists.

So, no, homosexuality is not a contagious disease, is not, in fact, a disease at all. If it were, perhaps a vaccine could be developed.



To me its pretty obvious if you have a strong physical attraction to someone of the opposite sex you are gay, if you have a strong sexual feeling for someone of the opposite sex you are straight.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

To me its pretty obvious if you have a strong physical attraction to someone of the opposite sex you are gay, if you have a strong sexual feeling for someone of the opposite sex you are straight.


?? That makes no sense at all.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, if you believe it, then it must be so, whether there is a scintilla of evidence for your belief or not.

I believe if you took the time to read the thread you will find the eevidence you are looking for.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

?? That makes no sense at all.



Why am I surprised that you can't figure it out? No teleprompter.............
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

and the answer is that, by the time the individual reaches the ripe old age of 11 or so, sexual preference is already hard wired.
11 sounds a bit early to me, and even if it is accurate that leaves at least 7 years between infancy and hard wiring.



It is most likely hard wired at birth.
The American Psychological Association has been unable to reach that conclusion:

Wiki: Environment and sexual orientation

(from link, emphasis added):
...Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...



Going to a camp that includes openly gay campers, being raised by openly gay parents, being taught that gay bashing is wrong, none of that makes anyone gay.
The sexual orientation of the first generation of children with homosexual adoptive parents will provide strongly suggestive evidence, and I might yield to the geneticist side of the argument if over 80% of them turn out to be heterosexual.

However, I would still prefer to send my children to a camp catering to heterosexuals only.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

11 sounds a bit early to me, and even if it is accurate that leaves at least 7 years between infancy and hard wiring.




The American Psychological Association has been unable to reach that conclusion:

Wiki: Environment and sexual orientation

(from link, emphasis added):





The sexual orientation of the first generation of children with homosexual adoptive parents will provide strongly suggestive evidence, and I might yield to the geneticist side of the argument if over 80% of them turn out to be heterosexual.

However, I would still prefer to send my children to a camp catering to heterosexuals only.

How sad is that gays want to groom 11 years olds
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Do you feel that way even if your children are at the age of 11 or 12?

Yes, I would. My children are 16 and 14... so what their age has to do with anything, I have no idea.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Why am I surprised that you can't figure it out? No teleprompter.............


Actually, Navy, you mispoke... you said 'opposite sex' twice, I'm pretty sure you meant to say 'same sex' the first time... look at your post again.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Actually, Navy, you mispoke... you said 'opposite sex' twice, I'm pretty sure you meant to say 'same sex' the first time... look at your post again.

No, I'm pretty sure that's his philosophy.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes, I would. My children are 16 and 14... so what their age has to do with anything, I have no idea.

Maybe if older gay boys tried to force their attention on them in close quarters in a tent at night...maybe the peer pressure.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It isn't openly gay people I don't trust it is these kinds:

An anti-gay pastor in New Orleans who once called masturbation "immoral" was arrested recently for doing just that at a public park.
Grant Storms, who gained notoriety for using a bullhorn to protest an annual gay festival in Louisiana, was busted Friday after two women allegedly saw him servicing himself in his van, the Times-Picayune newspaper reported.

A woman who parked next to Storms' vehicle at Lafreniere Park in Metairie was taking her children out of her car when she allegedly witnessed the so-called "Christian patriot" seated behind the wheel with "his zipper down," police said on Monday.
She saw him performing the sex act, then told another woman at the park, who approached his van in order to confirm the accusation, authorities said. The 53-year-old pastor allegedly tried to cover himself when he noticed her looking at him.
The women reported Storms to a park officer, who then detained him until police arrived.
Storms initially claimed he was simply urinating into a bottle, but later admitted to pleasuring himself, WDSU 6 News reported. Although there were children in the park at the time of the incident, police did not believe it was related to the pastor's actions.

"I believe that there was some people in the park, but I'm not sure if the presence of the children had a direct correlation to the incident," sheriff’s spokesman Sgt. Larry Dyess told WWL news radio.
Storms has regularly used signs and a bullhorn to protest Southern Decadence, a three-day gay festival in the French Quarter held every year around Labor Day, for nearly a decade. He often referred to the event as "depraved."

Read more: Anti-gay pastor Grant Storms busted for touching himself in public park in New Orleans - NY Daily News


The ones I dont trust are the ones who are most ardent in being anti gay.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Actually, Navy, you mispoke... you said 'opposite sex' twice, I'm pretty sure you meant to say 'same sex' the first time... look at your post again.

Thanks for pointing that out......I meant attracted to the same sex.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It isn't openly gay people I don't trust it is these kinds:




The ones I dont trust are the ones who are most ardent in being anti gay.


sadly you have those kind of people. for me its not the priest or preacher they are just frail humans like me......I get my strength in my faith in God.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

sadly you have those kind of people. for me its not the priest or preacher they are just frail humans like me......I get my strength in my faith in God.

Yeah, that is what they say too.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Actually, Navy, you mispoke... you said 'opposite sex' twice, I'm pretty sure you meant to say 'same sex' the first time... look at your post again.

or, maybe on a teleprompter, it would make sense.
 
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