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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

X Factor said:
I completely understand this argument. I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe any particular thing in the Bible. I'm content to let people decide for themselves what they believe and what they don't. All I've been saying all along is that those passages exist. That cannot be denied.
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They exist, but they do not mean what most people think they mean. Most people are terribly ignorant on the subject.

No YourStar, I haven't been advocating that at all.
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Not saying you have, but those are generally the consequences of people who hold these beliefs.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Huh:confused:
are you saaying the gay boys are worried about being abused by the straight boys who are repulsed by gay activity?
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No, I didn't say that, you said it. I said that the gay boys would be the ones most at risk. Go back and read my post again.
If you were not already aware of this before reading my post, this is just more evidence that you are totally out of touch with the reality of life on Planet Earth.
Are you on Planet Kolob?


"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP and the tools who support it's losing ideas.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
No, they identified attraction to the oppositie sex. You, for some reason, construed this as an affirmation of sexual experimentation.



Where?
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READ the article. Its right there.
 
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Navy Pride said:
You can take a chance with your 11 year old boys sleeping in a crowded tent with outted gay boys but I won't..........It really would never have been a problem because my sons would have never would not have wanted to go to that camp...
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you're an old timer you don't really understand most kids nowadays know what homosexuality is do you even know they are they know the not, 1 of the benefits of your opinion being that of an old timer. I work with youth they seem to have a better grasp on it than you do.
 
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Navy Pride said:
............if your a Catholic and you ignore it you will burn in hell..........
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That sounds like a really good reason not to be a Catholic.
Why would anyone willingly sign up for that?



"Man has created God in his own image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent." ~ Marie
 
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Your Star said:
But if your not a Catholic you can have as much gay sex as you want!!

Loophole :prof
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I don't know about other churches.........I don't know any who think that sex out of marriage be it straight or gay is not a sin.......

I made a pact with myself not to respond to your posts and you know why but I will answer this one...
 
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shrubnose said:
That sounds like a really good reason not to be a Catholic.
Why would anyone willingly sign up for that?



"Man has created God in his own image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent." ~ Marie
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Only to someone like you.
 
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well I grow bored with this thread so as we use to say in the Navy I believe I will go climb in my tree........:peace
 
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disneydude said:
READ the article. Its right there.
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I'm not seeing it. Can you quote it
 
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shrubnose said:
Are you on Planet Kolob?.
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Funny: I just had a brief conversation with a couple of Mormons, on this very topic (acceptance of gays, not Kolob). Turned out, both voted for gay marriage he in WA - and both believe that gays will end up in Hell. Go figure. Or maybe they simply find the concepts of "marriage" and "hell" not so different :)

P.S. In Slavic langauges, "kolob" means a "sphere", or "zone of influence" (and also a globular head of bread - a representation of sun). I wonder...
P.P.S. This new avatar of yours - isn't it the Hungarian (Romanian?) "Brother Grimm", the folklorist? Can't recall the name...
 
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Your Star said:
They exist, but they do not mean what most people think they mean. Most people are terribly ignorant on the subject.
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No, you and Clax have both argued that the translation itself is wrong and misinterprets the original text. That's a very different thing from saying that the translation does not mean what it actually says. To argue the latter, you're essentially saying that the translation is accurate but is being misread.

Not saying you have, but those are generally the consequences of people who hold these beliefs.
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One of the reasons I probably seem so schizophrenic in this thread is because I understand both sides. If there is, at least, some truth in the Bible, then it makes sense that many people feel that they are not at liberty to just discard the parts that are uncomfortable.
 
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X Factor said:
No, you and Clax have both argued that the translation itself is wrong and misinterprets the original text. That's a very different thing from saying that the translation does not mean what it actually says. To argue the latter, you're essentially saying that the translation is accurate but is being misread.
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Um, how are those any different?

One of the reasons I probably seem so schizophrenic in this thread is because I understand both sides. If there is, at least, some truth in the Bible, then it makes sense that many people feel that they are not at liberty to just discard the parts that are uncomfortable.
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All I know is, one side is oppressing, and the other side is being oppressed, it is not hard to see who is right, and who is wrong.
 
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shrubnose said:
That sounds like a really good reason not to be a Catholic.
Why would anyone willingly sign up for that?



"Man has created God in his own image: intolerant, sexist, homophobic, and violent." ~ Marie
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Well if you actually believe in Catholicism, it isn't easy to just not believe in it. It's not really a choice for a lot of people what they believe in.
 
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Your Star said:
Um, how are those any different?
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Uhm, you can't see how saying "the translation is wrong" and "the translation is accurate" are different?

All I know is, one side is oppressing, and the other side is being oppressed, it is not hard to see who is right, and who is wrong.
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Someone believing in the Bible is oppression? Aren't there parts of the Bible you believe?
 
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X Factor said:
No, you and Clax have both argued that the translation itself is wrong and misinterprets the original text. That's a very different thing from saying that the translation does not mean what it actually says. To argue the latter, you're essentially saying that the translation is accurate but is being misread.



One of the reasons I probably seem so schizophrenic in this thread is because I understand both sides. If there is, at least, some truth in the Bible, then it makes sense that many people feel that they are not at liberty to just discard the parts that are uncomfortable.
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let's put it this way in original Greek the scripture used to condemn homosexual references a very specific kind of homosexuality particularly men who take boy sex slaves, English it says homosexual yes that is accurate the man who takes a boy sex slave is a homosexual but 2 men that are the same age and consent and they're both free that's still a homosexual but it isn't the 1 that was spoken about in original Scripture. context has been lost in translation
 
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X Factor said:
Uhm, you can't see how saying "the translation is wrong" and "the translation is accurate" are different?



Someone believing in the Bible is oppression? Aren't there parts of the Bible you believe?
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the translation is it wrong just isn't complete.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Why would straight boys be a sexual threat to other straight boys?:confused:
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Hint: many straight people experiment with the same sex. It happens. Alot.
 
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X Factor said:
Uhm, you can't see how saying "the translation is wrong" and "the translation is accurate" are different?
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i haven't been saying that.


Someone believing in the Bible is oppression? Aren't there parts of the Bible you believe?
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No, but believing in that specific thing, that being gay is wrong, is wrong.
 
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Your Star said:
No, but believing in that specific thing, that being gay is wrong, is wrong.
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Why is it wrong? Not that I disagree, but I'm curious for your specific reasoning. I've seen different answers, and I'm curious what yours are.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
I'm not really concerned with what some people think. some might say people who don't believe in God are delusional.
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I'm sure they would. But that would just confirm their own delusions. A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. I'd say a lot of conservatives are pretty delusional. Look how many thought Romney had the election won by a landslide. They tend to believe what they want to believe despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
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Anagram said:
Well if you actually believe in Catholicism, it isn't easy to just not believe in it. It's not really a choice for a lot of people what they believe in.
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Why is it not a choice? Whatever happened to Free Will? I don't really think that's true at all. And if it were...it would be the worst possible indictment against Catholicism I could imagine. Who could subscribe to that kind of mind control. The idea of actually controlling what people think is pretty repugnant.
 
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Adagio said:
Why is it not a choice? Whatever happened to Free Will? I don't really think that's true at all. And if it were...it would be the worst possible indictment against Catholicism I could imagine. Who could subscribe to that kind of mind control. The idea of actually controlling what people think is pretty repugnant.
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I meant that as applied to anything. It's hard to choose what to believe. It is impossible for me to choose to believe in Hinduism or unicorns or a flat earth or anything else I don't believe in. I don't choose what I believe in.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Only to someone like you.
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When you say "Someone like you", I am not getting your message.
You need to be a little more specific. Get just a little courage and say what you really mean, dude. I can handle it.
Put it out there so that everyone can know what kind of a lowlife loser you are.

BTW: keep spreading that hate and fear, it worked out great for the GOP last November, eh?

This is not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's thinking, feeling humans against the soulless lizard people on the far right, whose xenophobic. racist, bigoted, misogynist, homophobia is destroying the GOP. And that's really sad.


"What goes around, comes around."

Deal with it.
 
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Anagram said:
Well if you actually believe in Catholicism, it isn't easy to just not believe in it. It's not really a choice for a lot of people what they believe in.
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What makes you believe that people don't have a choice? Who told you that? That person lied to you. In the USA you do have a choice. No one can tell you what to believe.

Anyone who really believes that they don't have a choice as to what to believe or not believe about anything in the USA has my profound sympathy.

One of the reasons that people left Europe hundreds of years ago and came to America was so that they would have a choice.

A war was fought over this, and freedom of choice won.


Right now, a lot of people in the GOP would like to take that freedom of choice away from you and others.

Ain't going to happen.

Wait and see.
 
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Cyrylek said:
P.P.S. This new avatar of yours - isn't it the Hungarian (Romanian?) "Brother Grimm", the folklorist? Can't recall the name...
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I am going to guess that you are probably the only person on this forum who recognized the guy. You are correct, it's Elek Benedek who was a Hungarian journalist and writer. He was and is known by Hungarians as the "the great folk-tale teller". He spent a lot of time collecting and recording Hungarian folk-tales and legends. Among his huge body of work, he compiled a 5-volume collection of Hungarian folk tales and legends, many of them from the Széleky people in Transylvania.

He was a mensch. He has made a lot of children happy.
 
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