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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

My first roommate was a rugged, heavy set, bearded macho man. Couldn't figure out why we weren't allowed girls in the apartment, till I saw him at a Rest Area trying to hookup with a meat slinger (male hooker).

I later found out he rented too me because he was attracted and tried to talk me into a relationship. And I told him "dude the idea of kissing your hairy face just freaks me out!" He went on to explain how he became gay and started out hetero, then bisexual. He believed it was a predisposition that varied from person to person, which is why he thought he could convert me. I didn't care then what people do in the bedroom and I still don't. If you're not invited to the party it's not your damn business.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

riddle me this why do you only worry about this with gay people?
do you believe gay people are more likely to sexually "manipulate" others for some reason?

If the gay people are teenagers? Frankly, I don't trust teenagers as far as I can throw them. Ha!

I don't see how it's sad. If you're a Catholic, you follow the rules of the Catholic Church, or else you don't get to participate in all activities and benefits via non-compliance.

I think it's sad because it is Christ that invites me to the communion altar, not the Catholic Church. Rules, rules and more rules. Christ welcomed sinners with open arms. Even IF the Catholic Church believes homosexuals are sinners, what gives the church the right to deny them?

But - then - that's a whole different thread. I am not fond of the Catholic Church. I find their exclusionary tenets to be hypocritical.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Catholics don't worship popes, so the popes teachings aren't really of much value.

Further more the world has grown since you were in catholic school, as did the church. There are gay affirming Catholic churches, what you believe is irrelevant.

What planet are you from? I have a flash for you. The pope is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.........
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If the gay people are teenagers? Frankly, I don't trust teenagers as far as I can throw them. Ha!



I think it's sad because it is Christ that invites me to the communion altar, not the Catholic Church. Rules, rules and more rules. Christ welcomed sinners with open arms. Even IF the Catholic Church believes homosexuals are sinners, what gives the church the right to deny them?

But - then - that's a whole different thread. I am not fond of the Catholic Church. I find their exclusionary tenets to be hypocritical.

Catholics aren't the only club for team Jesus. I honestly don't understand why a homosexual would choose to go/stay Catholic anyway. Seems counterproductive to me.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Obviously we have some Gays in my church...My church has about a thousand members so if you go by stats then 1% are gay....Like I said before they are welcomed with open arms but they cannot sin just like straights can't

You are completely ignoring the new testament, in Romans it says that everybody sins, so either your church isn't really catholic, or Christian our you misspoke.

Jesus died to save us from or sin. If we didn't sin than why would all of that have occurred. As per Christian tradition all sins were forgiven when we were washed in the blood of the lamb. The washing was subscribed in John.

So yes all Christians are sinners, that's why we need a savior, though Jesus's salvation is the only way to enter the kingdom.

For a person who attended Catholic school you sure don't know much about it
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If the gay people are teenagers? Frankly, I don't trust teenagers as far as I can throw them. Ha!
LOL well working with and coaching them i agree but then why would you send your kids to a camp at all then? I guess thats where my confusion comes in?

why would the camp without open gays be ok and you trust those teens, again not attacking trying to understand the logic?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yes I can, because not only can I say it isn't there, but I can say that there is no possible way it could be there. Corinthians is one book in the English translation has the word homosexual in it, this is flawed for so many reasons I can't count.

Corinth is a city in Greece, so the original text is written in Greek, homosexual is a term invented by alternating Latin which was only coined about a century ago. The rich text is the word arsenokoitai in conjunction with malakos and catamites, arsenokoitai is the combination of Arseno which means male and koitai which means bed. We know it was a greco tradition for predominate males to take boy sex slaves, so arsenokoitai is a man who takes a man to bed. This would apply to modern homosexuality but if it weren't for the context in which the word is used. Malakos means soft, catamite means boy prostitute.

The original text as my very basic understanding of Greek, is referring to the wealthy users of mankind, particularly men with young boy concubines.

Just like the word kill in reference to the ten commandments is understood to mean murder. The many times different hands have translated the Bible into many different languages it loses its meaning. Like the game of telephone but over four millennia and across hundreds of cultures.

I would love to learn more biblical Greek just to see what truly was written.

Ok, so you don't buy the translation(s) (or you have a translation of your own), but that's not the same thing as saying it's not there at all. You may be comfortable casting aside what the Bible says, but not everybody else is (myself included, btw).
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Yup, my church follows biblical scripture, if yours doesn't, I guess it isn't Christian.

I don't know about Christian but it is Not Roman Catholic......You have to live with that fact my left wing friend.

Question does your church consider the gay sex they partipate in a mortal sin....Do you have you the sacrament of confession? Does it even recognize we are all sinners????
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I later found out he rented too me because he was attracted and tried to talk me into a relationship. And I told him "dude the idea of kissing your hairy face just freaks me out!" He went on to explain how he became gay and started out hetero, then bisexual. He believed it was a predisposition that varied from person to person, which is why he thought he could convert me. .....



This isn't the first time I've heard a story like that, nor the second.

And it is one of the reasons why a lot of parents would feel a little uncomfortable letting their teenagers camp out in the woods with openly homosexual scouts and scoutmasters.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

What planet are you from? I have a flash for you. The pope is the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.........

No, he is the rock on which the church was built, Jesus is the leader. Jesus said in such words to the first pope who was named Peter, which means rock and told Peter, who was a pope that he is the rock on Erich the church was built.

No more of you in regards to this, you don't even have a basic understanding of your religion.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Catholics don't worship popes, so the popes teachings aren't really of much value.

Further more the world has grown since you were in catholic school, as did the church. There are gay affirming Catholic churches, what you believe is irrelevant.

Well, you've discarded the Bible and the Pope. What exactly makes you all Catholic? (not being flippant, genuinely curious)
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I don't know about Christian but it is Not Roman Catholic......You have to live with that fact my left wing friend.

Question does your church consider the gay sex they partipate in a mortal sin....Do you have you the sacrament of confession? Does it even recognize we are all sinners????

Your lack of knowledge and back peddling and the statements you make that so deeply Cannock with what Catholic is, does me you are not worth discussing this further with.

If you even had just a basic understanding then we could have a discussion.

But try as you might, you are piss poor at interpreting scripture or even knowledge of your own church, will never convince me of anything.

You have no authority to say what church is catholic, because you ate on the negative in credibility.

so bow out gracefully so as not to appear foolish.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

If the gay people are teenagers? Frankly, I don't trust teenagers as far as I can throw them. Ha!



I think it's sad because it is Christ that invites me to the communion altar, not the Catholic Church. Rules, rules and more rules. Christ welcomed sinners with open arms. Even IF the Catholic Church believes homosexuals are sinners, what gives the church the right to deny them?

But - then - that's a whole different thread. I am not fond of the Catholic Church. I find their exclusionary tenets to be hypocritical.

I am saddened by your feelings for the Catholic Church..........My faith was shaken by the 1% of the gay pedophile priests who abused children .I had several sessions with my pastor and as able to come to grips with it....................Its not the priests you worship its the literagy.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This isn't the first time I've heard a story like that, nor the second.

And it is one of the reasons why a lot of parents would feel a little uncomfortable letting their teenagers camp out in the woods with openly homosexual scouts and scoutmasters.

He was a decent guy and I don't think he'd touch a child but he definitely liked the challenge of changing someone over and believed it was more than possible. He had actually been exposed to bisexual relations with a couple who took him in as a 15 yr old runaway.

I have a next door neighbor who is making goo goo eyes at me and he knows I'm not gay. But the idea that homosexuality makes you more of a pervert or sexually promiscuous is nonsense. Most the perverts I've encountered aren't gay they're just bizarre and creepy.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Your lack of knowledge and back peddling and the statements you make that so deeply Cannock with what Catholic is, does me you are not worth discussing this further with.

If you even had just a basic understanding then we could have a discussion.

But try as you might, you are piss poor at interpreting scripture or even knowledge of your own church, will never convince me of anything.

You have no authority to say what church is catholic, because you ate on the negative in credibility.

so bow out gracefully so as not to appear foolish.

As I suspected you answered none of my questions about your church...You can't do it because what you say is not true.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

You are completely ignoring the new testament, in Romans it says that everybody sins, so either your church isn't really catholic, or Christian our you misspoke.

Jesus died to save us from or sin. If we didn't sin than why would all of that have occurred. As per Christian tradition all sins were forgiven when we were washed in the blood of the lamb. The washing was subscribed in John.

So yes all Christians are sinners, that's why we need a savior, though Jesus's salvation is the only way to enter the kingdom.

For a person who attended Catholic school you sure don't know much about it

Right "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" but that doesn't give us license to continue in sin. Jesus told the adulteress, "go and sin no more". That tends to get left off the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" story.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Well, you've discarded the Bible and the Pope. What exactly makes you all Catholic? (not being flippant, genuinely curious)

The pope is the rock on which the church was built, Jesus says that himself in the Bible, so just because you don't understand the basic flaw in your own statement doesn't mean I am not Catholic.

I regarded the Bible on the position of the pope, so not only is you post vapid and imbecillic it makes no sense.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Right "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" but that doesn't give us license to continue in sin. Jesus told the adulteress, "go and sin no more". That tends to get left off the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" story.

Homosexuality isn't a sin.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Homosexuality isn't a sin.

It's so not a sin it is really ridiculous to me that any person with an IQ above 75 could read the Bible and say that it is a sin.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

There are openly gay members at virtually every camp in America.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Okay, I live in your delusion

1. Is gay sex a sin?

2. Do you go to confession and confess your sins.........
I will wait for hell freezes over for your answer.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

The pope is the rock on which the church was built, Jesus says that himself in the Bible, so just because you don't understand the basic flaw in your own statement doesn't mean I am not Catholic.

I regarded the Bible on the position of the pope, so not only is you post vapid and imbecillic it makes no sense.

I'm really not trying to be offensive. I apologize if I have been. You're just not making much sense to me. On one hand, you say what's in the Bible cannot be trusted because it's gone through so many translations, then you'll cite the Bible to support your positions. You say the Pope is your Pope but yet his teachings don't matter? :confused:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

It's so not a sin it is really ridiculous to me that any person with an IQ above 75 could read the Bible and say that it is a sin.

to someone unwilling to study the Bible and its original text is doomed to ignorance. ignorance is not a path to the kingdom.

ignorance and arrogance ate hand in hand. and the arrogant delight in their own arrogance.

some people just don't want to let go of false beliefs, sadly that's the path to destruction.
 
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