Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

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Redress said:

Realize he also advocated for the government nationalizing the oil industry. But everyone else is a lefty.

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Great idea! :idea:

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Objective-J said:

1.) so you are with him in the looker room, on the bus, in school, in the dugout etc? interesting?
2.) so basically you dont have faith in your parenting and or child

got it

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No, you don't got it. Children have under developed brains and until they are mature, they need constant guidance. Good guidance is not giving them up to someone you don't agree with for a week or more.

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CLAX1911 said:

you completely missing the point are you were trying to make. moving you really need to do is explain why a gay man is more likely to molest children than anybody else.

I'd frankly love to hear any explanation for this, because it's kind of like saying a black man is more likely to steal a car. that's called a prejudice.
something about prejudices they always come from a place of ignorance.

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I never said a gay man was. I never implied a gay man would. I don't know where you came up with that.

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Your Star said:

I did not expect this crap to come from you Maggie. Do you really understand how hurtful that is?

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Your Star, the only thing I know to say here is that I'm willing to admit that perhaps I am wrong.

My comments re this post stem from my over-riding belief that teen years are tough ones. The choices we make when we're that age can have lasting consequences. The good choices reinforce our path to adulthood; the bad ones can have haunting consequences for a lifetime. What's a parent's job if not to help his child make good choices? And to minimize the number of bad choices they're exposed to?

My comments also come from the assumption I made (in order to reply to the post) that we're talking about teen boys who were openly and conspicuously gay...else how would I even know? The further assumption I made is that this open, conspicuous gay behavior in teens is unusual. (You as much as said so in one of your posts, I believe.)

I hope you also noticed that I said time and again that adult chaperones and leaders who were gay would have absolutely no effect on me at all.

If you choose to believe that I'm homophobic because I wouldn't put my nine- or ten-year-old son into a situation where he might be manipulated into sexual experimentation with older boys who were conspicuously gay, then you're just thinkin' bad thoughts about me.

I don't think any parent wants their children to be homosexual. It's a rather tough road even in today's more enlightened society. What all parents do want (or should want) is that their children be comfortable in their own skin no matter what their sexual orientation. And finding that orientation shouldn't happen by their being exposed to possibly manipulative behavior by conspicuous gays at a Boy Scout Camp.

I do not trust teenagers to make consistently good decisions whether they're straight or gay. I just don't.

Now I think I shall stop digging.

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ksu_aviator said:

I never said a gay man was. I never implied a gay man would. I don't know where you came up with that.

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" 2.) Children can be easily influenced. You don't assume they can understand right from wrong until they are much older. Even then, they will have a lot to learn. A good parent doesn't lead their children to temptation until they are capable of making their own decisions."

I took this wrong sorry

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ksu_aviator said:

No, you don't got it. Children have under developed brains and until they are mature, they need constant guidance. Good guidance is not giving them up to someone you don't agree with for a week or more.

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Oh so its the consistent week that bothers you but not the years (with breaks) that a coach, teachers, friends, playing, etc etc got it, doesnt make sense to me at all but got it.

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Objective-J said:

Oh so its the consistent week that bothers you but not the years (with breaks) that a coach, teachers, friends, playing, etc etc got it, doesnt make sense to me at all but got it.

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Do you think I won't vet my son's teachers, coaches and friends? What kind of parent doesn't do that?

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ksu_aviator said:

Do you think I won't vet my son's teachers, coaches and friends? What kind of parent doesn't do that?

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who said you wouldnt? not me :shrug:

not sure why your short reached and limiting vetting ranks above proper parenting though.

I know religious authorities that vet all there kids associates but they failed accomplishing their goals because their parenting still sucked.

Now i dont kow you in the least so im not saying your parenting sucks it could be top their awesome, what i am saying is your parenting if good will top all these "influences" you seemed concerned about.

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MaggieD said:

Of COURSE I would let my kids go to camp. And I wouldn't care if anyone there was gay or not....because I wouldn't know about it. But if there are kids at the camp that are advertising they're gay? I have a problem with that. Political correctness takes an easy last to cautious parenting. My views are not factually homophobic. It may be fun to say...but it's untrue. My views are completely and totally based on the behavior of every teenager on planet earth.

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Wow....I'm always amazed at the "ignornance is bliss" crowd. When did honesty become a value that you people despise so much? You would rather put your fingers in your ears and go....Lalalalala....and pretend that everything is perfectly bliss...rather than get the facts.
BTW...I wouldn't call that "cautious parenting"....I would call it "negligent and naive parenting".

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disneydude said:

Wow....I'm always amazed at the "ignornance is bliss" crowd. When did honesty become a value that you people despise so much? You would rather put your fingers in your ears and go....Lalalalala....and pretend that everything is perfectly bliss...rather than get the facts.
BTW...I wouldn't call that "cautious parenting"....I would call it "negligent and naive parenting".

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So anyone who doesn't agree with you, Disneydude, is ignorant. And as you call me out for my supposed ignorance, you call me "you people." You have know idea how ironic that is. Go pick on the 21 people who voted no. I actually voted yes and then had second thoughts when I thought of 10-year-old kids and the possibility of misguided gay teenagers encouraging experimentation.

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CLAX1911 said:

I agree with you here, I would let my boy join a gay program because he is gay. But boy scouts should not be about sexuality, they are kids, they will have plenty of adult hood to talk about sexuality. But banning homosexuals made boy scouts about sexuality.

Really it either matters or it doesn't. It seems so hypocritical to say "we are not an organization that is about sexuality, only if you are heterosexual". Now I understand that they don't want the BSA turning into a gay pride parade, but isn't it currently a heterosexual pride parade? The way I am with my sexuality is I don't mention it to people I am not screwing or discussing my sexuality with. Being that it isn't proper for me to discuss my sexuality with eleven year olds I don't, nobody else should either.

So it either doesn't matter or it does, right now with a ban on a sexuality they are saying it does matter. I wonder how they feel about open asexual people, that is queer also.

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You need to read the BS oath sometime.


Boy Scout Oath or Promise

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

Boy Scout Oath, Law and Motto

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MaggieD said:

So anyone who doesn't agree with you, Disneydude, is ignorant. And as you call me out for my supposed ignorance, you call me "you people." You have know idea how ironic that is. Go pick on the 21 people who voted no. I actually voted yes and then had second thoughts when I thought of 10-year-old kids and the possibility of misguided gay teenagers encouraging experimentation.

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Sadly he has a closed mind on anything that has to do with gay rights....Thaat is the sad part.

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MaggieD said:

So anyone who doesn't agree with you, Disneydude, is ignorant. And as you call me out for my supposed ignorance, you call me "you people." You have know idea how ironic that is. Go pick on the 21 people who voted no. I actually voted yes and then had second thoughts when I thought of 10-year-old kids and the possibility of misguided gay teenagers encouraging experimentation.

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Yes....what you are saying is that you would send your child to a camp as long as you were able to somehow rationalize that there won't be any gay people there because you would rather not know. That is absolutely "ignornace is bliss".

That is negligent and naive parenting because the people who are most likely to abuse a child are not the ones who are open and honest about their sexuality...they are the ones who are closeted and living double lives.

So while putting your fingers in your ears....lalalala...and believing that your kids are safter in that envionment than they would be in one where people are honest...is naive and ignorant.

Talk to any psychologist out there and they will tell you that there is ZERO correlations between childhood sexual experimentation and homosexuality....so in other words, you kids are just as apt to experiment sexually in a camp with openly gay counselors and/or kids...as they would in a supposedly 100% straight heterosexual camp.

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MaggieD said:

So anyone who doesn't agree with you, Disneydude, is ignorant. And as you call me out for my supposed ignorance, you call me "you people." You have know idea how ironic that is. Go pick on the 21 people who voted no. I actually voted yes and then had second thoughts when I thought of 10-year-old kids and the possibility of misguided gay teenagers encouraging experimentation.

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Why is that any more of a problem than misguided straight teenagers encouraging experimentation?

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disneydude said:

Yes....what you are saying is that you would send your child to a camp as long as you were able to somehow rationalize that there won't be any gay people there because you would rather not know. That is absolutely "ignornace is bliss".

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I never said that. I never inferred that. If you're going to jump in on a thread, please do yourself a favor: read a particular poster's posts first before you put words in their fingers. You.Are.Wrong.

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Navy Pride said:

You need to read the BS oath sometime.


Boy Scout Oath or Promise

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

Boy Scout Oath, Law and Motto

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I'm sorry Navy...but you are not one to talk. Before you start preaching to others about living "morally straight" lives...perhaps you have forgotten to look in your own closet.

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MaggieD said:

I never said that. I never inferred that. If you're going to jump in on a thread, please do yourself a favor: read a particular poster's posts first before you put words in their fingers. You.Are.Wrong.

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You were saying that you would not send your child to a camp with openly gay kids....but would feel perfect fine to send them to a camp where they were closeted because you wouldn't know. Outa sight....outa mind.

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disneydude said:

You were saying that you would not send your child to a camp with openly gay kids....but would feel perfect fine to send them to a camp where they were closeted because you wouldn't know. Outa sight....outa mind.

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Again. That is not anywhere close to what I said.

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Since somewhere between 1 and 10% of the population is gay, depending on who you believe, any camp with a hundred or more boys would be likely to have at least one gay camper.

Isn't it better all around if that camper (those campers) can be open about it?

It's time for the BSA to admit that at least some of the scouts, and probably some of the adult leaders as well, are homosexuals and that it doesn't matter in the least.

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Navy Pride said:

You need to read the BS oath sometime.


Boy Scout Oath or Promise

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

Boy Scout Oath, Law and Motto

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I was a boy Scout for 14 years.

Nothing I do is against it.

I am trustworthy, loyal, helpful, courteous, kind, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

I do my duty to my God and country. I still obey the Scout law, I help other people all the time, I am physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

I am an eagle.

So not sure what this post is about.

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MaggieD said:

So anyone who doesn't agree with you, Disneydude, is ignorant. And as you call me out for my supposed ignorance, you call me "you people." You have know idea how ironic that is. Go pick on the 21 people who voted no. I actually voted yes and then had second thoughts when I thought of 10-year-old kids and the possibility of misguided gay teenagers encouraging experimentation.

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You are just being baited. That side of the aisle just refuses to acknowledge that there are creepy gays out there who are in people's face with it in what most people not looking to make a political point would find somewhere between inappropriate and absolutely rude. There are gays I don't care if my kids are around, and there are gays that no parent in the right mind would let their child be around unattended for an extended period of time.

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disneydude said:

Wow....I'm always amazed at the "ignornance is bliss" crowd. When did honesty become a value that you people despise so much? You would rather put your fingers in your ears and go....Lalalalala....and pretend that everything is perfectly bliss...rather than get the facts.
BTW...I wouldn't call that "cautious parenting"....I would call it "negligent and naive parenting".

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Would you send you child to an evangelical camp?

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Fisher said:

Would you send you child to an evangelical camp?

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Would I send my kid to a camp that had evangelical kids and some evagenical counselors? Absolutely. I would have no issue with that whatsoever.

Would I send them to an evangelical jesus camp? No.

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Aderleth said:

Why is that any more of a problem than misguided straight teenagers encouraging experimentation?

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Straight people in a Straight camp with only boys would have no reason to experiment.....They are not attracted to the same sex....Why can't you get that through your head????????????

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Fisher said:

You are just being baited. That side of the aisle just refuses to acknowledge that there are creepy gays out there who are in people's face with it in what most people not looking to make a political point would find somewhere between inappropriate and absolutely rude. There are gays I don't care if my kids are around, and there are gays that no parent in the right mind would let their child be around unattended for an extended period of time.

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Why don't you vote no then?