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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?


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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Navy, why did you read about gay bath houses?


You really could not help it to be honest the gays raised a huge fuss when they shut em down.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

it turns him on. like most gay haters he is probably a major closet case.

Speculation aside, I'm also concerned why he would recommend reading such. That might be more disturbing than referencing, having previously scoured?, the material. I'm not sure such material is relevant to the discussion, but if it is then I'd like this clarified.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

But it's not the 80's, and I don't life in ****ing San Fran. In fact most gay people don't live in San Fran, so your point here is rather weird, and creepy.

Threre are thousands of gays there and still are...
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Threre are thousands of gays there and still are...

Navy, there are thousands of gays everywhere.



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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp

I wonder why my priest preaches against gay sex in his homily on Sunday if it is not a mortal sin?:confused:

So is eating shell fish and of course death for disobeying your parents an abomination. Does he preach that?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This morning Soledad O'Brian had a Representative from Boy Scouts of America on her show. He made a good point. He said "My neighbor is a great guy and a family man, but I would not allow my three daughters to go camping with him. Would I allow my son to go camping with a man who is attracted to males? Absolutely not". Soledad responded "Are you saying that Homosexual men are all pedophiles?" Of course not he replied. Well I agree with him. I have two daughters, and when they were kids there is no way I'm letting them go camping with any man including my own brother. So why would I let my son go camping with a known homosexual man? It ain't happening.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I'm not "playing a prejudice card". Your posts assume negative things about gay children/teens based on their sexuality. That is prejudice. Moreover, those same posts are based in a misunderstanding of homosexuality and child/teen experimentation. That is ignorance.

And you know what? I cannot take it anymore. I cannot take coming into threads like this and seeing people being so prejudicial against gay people (kids, no less) and then claiming that they are the ones who are being unfairly criticized - as if it's problematic for people like me to point out prejudice and ignorance. It's not wrong. It's the right thing to do and I will continue to do it until the day I ****ing die no matter how many "cards" people accuse me playing to defend themselves without actually having any research or logic to back up their archaic positions. Ignorance and prejudice are the problem. Period.

I am not prejudiced against gays. If you get your jollies off by accusing me of ignorance and prejudice? I can't do anything about that. We're talking about parenting. I'm sorry if my thinking about 13-14-15-year-olds being "openly gay" doesn't resonate with you. It does with me.


But you are still assuming that someone who is gay will try and manipulate another kid into sex, and that is just wrong.

sorry mags i just didnt know you were a homophbia. SO im trying to understand what the base of your homophobia is. Theres nothing Odd about kids being openly gay.

what is the difference between gay and openly gay as far as it creating a panic about your child's well being?

You honestly think your childs potential to be "manipulated" is dramatically increased by the presence of gays?

again i ask What are these "unpleasant" experiences that you speak of and how are they dramatically increased by the presence of "gays" as supposed to their non-presence (or better yet OPEN presence)

Why are drugs and bullying less serious than homosexuality?

I see my parenting beliefs have sent ya'll through the roof. I asked Tom what he would do, and I got a shrug...and a "What's the difference?' I don't have any kids. Quite likely my beliefs are more black and white than someone who's been there.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

A lot of gay men do.........

Way more strait men do, you're point is moot, unless u your point is that it is only bad when gay me do it, which I think was your point all along.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

No, I wouldn't. My son has plenty to time after he leaves our household to be exposed to things that we teach him are wrong. We teach him to be non-judgemental, fair, and kind to others. But we do not teach him to be accepting of things that are against our faith. Being gay is against our faith. If my son were to go to a camp and a gay person was there, unbeknowst to us, so be it. We would use it as a teaching moment and move on. By subjecting him to something we know to be present beforehand, we are not properly guarding him against the things we teach him to be wrong.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.)I am not prejudiced against gays. If you get your jollies off by accusing me of ignorance and prejudice? I can't do anything about that. We're talking about parenting. I'm sorry if my thinking about 13-14-15-year-olds being "openly gay" doesn't resonate with you. It does with me.


2.)I see my parenting beliefs have sent ya'll through the roof. I asked Tom what he would do, and I got a shrug...and a "What's the difference?' I don't have any kids. Quite likely my beliefs are more black and white than someone who's been there.

1.) its not jollies its facts based of of YOUR words :shrug:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

this is factually you unless youd like to revise or deeper explain your statements

2.)not through the roof at all im trying to understand why you have homophobic view, where they come from and what logic is behind them

for example why do you think open gays are more dangerous and more likely to commit assault than closed gays or straights?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.) its not jollies its facts based of of YOUR words :shrug:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

this is factually you unless youd like to revise or deeper explain your statements

2.)not through the roof at all im trying to understand why you have homophobic view, where they come from and what logic is behind them

for example why do you think open gays are more dangerous and more likely to commit assault than closed gays or straights?

I've explained my position quite thoroughly. If you decide my not agreeing with you is homophobic? Frankly? I don't give a damned. My comment re jollies was addressed to another poster. One more time: my position is based on perceived behavior of teenagers...not gays. If that's not enough? Please move on to bash someone else.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

This morning Soledad O'Brian had a Representative from Boy Scouts of America on her show. He made a good point. He said "My neighbor is a great guy and a family man, but I would not allow my three daughters to go camping with him. Would I allow my son to go camping with a man who is attracted to males? Absolutely not". Soledad responded "Are you saying that Homosexual men are all pedophiles?" Of course not he replied. Well I agree with him. I have two daughters, and when they were kids there is no way I'm letting them go camping with any man including my own brother. So why would I let my son go camping with a known homosexual man? It ain't happening.

have you gone camping with the Boy Scouts? I ask because the times I did I can tell you more than one adult goes on the trip. When I went a couple of wives went as well.

So unlike a Catholic Priest alone with his alter boys a Boy Scout Adult Leader doesn't go off alone with boys.

So the Boy Scout rep mis-states the situation, it would be like a girl's camp-out with several adults present, most of them women.

Giving it a bit more thought the women, on the Scouting camp-outs I attended way back when, are just as threatening to the young boys as any gay adult leader.... :roll:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

So why would I let my son go camping with a known homosexual man? It ain't happening.
Would you let your son go camping with a heterosexual man?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.)I've explained my position quite thoroughly. If you decide my not agreeing with you is homophobic? Frankly? I don't give a damned. My comment re jollies was addressed to another poster.
2.)One more time: my position is based on perceived behavior of teenagers...not gays. If that's not enough? Please move on to bash someone else.

1.)agreeing with me is meaningless

the definition of the word i posted makes your views factually homophobic :shrug: why does that bother

2.) so then you wouldnt let your kids go to ANY camp then ?

im not bashing you, sorry you think that but its not true.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.)agreeing with me is meaningless

the definition of the word i posted makes your views factually homophobic :shrug: why does that bother

2.) so then you wouldnt let your kids go to ANY camp then ?

im not bashing you, sorry you think that but its not true.

Of COURSE I would let my kids go to camp. And I wouldn't care if anyone there was gay or not....because I wouldn't know about it. But if there are kids at the camp that are advertising they're gay? I have a problem with that. Political correctness takes an easy last to cautious parenting. My views are not factually homophobic. It may be fun to say...but it's untrue. My views are completely and totally based on the behavior of every teenager on planet earth.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

have you gone camping with the Boy Scouts? I ask because the times I did I can tell you more than one adult goes on the trip. When I went a couple of wives went as well.

So unlike a Catholic Priest alone with his alter boys a Boy Scout Adult Leader doesn't go off alone with boys.

So the Boy Scout rep mis-states the situation, it would be like a girl's camp-out with several adults present, most of them women.

Giving it a bit more thought the women, on the Scouting camp-outs I attended way back when, are just as threatening to the young boys as any gay adult leader.... :roll:

I went on boy Scout trips, my boyfriend went on them also. As youth and as adults, I want open at the time about it, but there are gay people in scouts, the policy is against openly gay people, I an openly bisexual, so no rule against me, my boyfriends is gay but he isn't really all out and proud, he doesn't talk like jack from will and grace. So we obey the rules.

Remember there is no rule against homosexuality, just openly gay people.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.) its not jollies its facts based of of YOUR words :shrug:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

this is factually you unless youd like to revise or deeper explain your statements

2.)not through the roof at all im trying to understand why you have homophobic view, where they come from and what logic is behind them

for example why do you think open gays are more dangerous and more likely to commit assault than closed gays or straights?

Just because her beliefs are irrational does not make them homophobic.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Of COURSE I would let my kids go to camp. And I wouldn't care if anyone there was gay or not....because I wouldn't know about it. But if there are kids at the camp that are advertising they're gay? I have a problem with that. Political correctness takes an easy last to cautious parenting. My views are not factually homophobic. It may be fun to say...but it's untrue. My views are completely and totally based on the behavior of every teenager on planet earth.

Being out of the closet is not advertising. It is simply not hiding. You have some really twisted ideas about what gay people are like.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Of COURSE I would let my kids go to camp. And I wouldn't care if anyone there was gay or not....because I wouldn't know about it. But if there are kids at the camp that are advertising they're gay? I have a problem with that. Political correctness takes an easy last to cautious parenting. My views are not factually homophobic. It may be fun to say...but it's untrue. My views are completely and totally based on the behavior of every teenager on planet earth.

so then you have a a problem with open gays and not straights, this is what makes your views factually homophobic :shrug: your views are based on OPEN gays and you just proved that fact


otherwise you wouldnt want to send your boy/girl to a camp with OPENLY straight people that advertise it

im not going to send my daughter to camp with your son because he is OPENLY hetero and he might sexually assault my daughter, thats based on all teens im just be cautious, right?
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

I wouldn't worry about drugs. I wouldn't worry about regular sexual experimentation. If you don't see a difference between heterosexual and homosexual experimentation, we'll just have to disagree. Homosexuality is an anomaly. Heterosexuality is not.

Wow. So homosexual experimentation is somehow more troubling and problematic than is either heterosexual experimentation or drug use amongst young teens. Again: wow. It's too bad you think that way.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Just because her beliefs are irrational does not make them homophobic.

i agree the definition of the word does though she fears open gays and has behavior based on those fears thats perfect example
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Threre are thousands of gays there and still are...

Heh. Yes, there are quite a lot of gay people here in SF. Most of the gay dudes I know are more monogamous than I am. :shrug:
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

1.) its not jollies its facts based of of YOUR words :shrug:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hm-fb-)
n.
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

Actually, if you break it down "homo" means same and "phobia" is fear, so "homophobia" actually literally means fear of the same.
 
Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Actually, if you break it down "homo" means same and "phobia" is fear, so "homophobia" actually literally means fear of the same.

Semantic drift. It's why we don't still Apr speak Latin.
 
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