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Would you let your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19,1642]

Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members?

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Re: Would you allow your son to go to camp where there were openly gay members? [W:19

Navy Pride said:
Try to at least keep up now pay attention...........THEY ARE OUT OF THE CLOSET!!!!!!!!!!!! that is what this whole fuVking (pardon my french is about....
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It's rich telling me to "keep up" when this entire thread and all of your arguments thus far have been based in archaic, out dated, ignorance-based ideas that have no place in a modern society. But regardless, it doesn't even matter if they're in or out of the closet. The post you praised is based in ignorance NOT courage. Far too often people mix up the two. It isn't "courageous" to say something stupid because it's unpopular.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Maybe your kids not mine............Had 4 and never had to worry about them except maybe my sons getting hurt playing high school football
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So, you're kids are perfectly fine resisting peer pressure from drugs, alcohol, social groups, etc, but just not gay people?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Nobody's talking about political correctness. People are talking about rationality and knowledge. When you are rational about and knowledge of homosexuality and teen sexual experimentation, then you realize that there is nothing to "fear" about one's straight son being alone with other gay people his age simply because they are gay.

And "openly gay" doesn't have an inherent connotation. The term is used to refer to gay people who do not hide their sexuality, period. Whatever else you read into that term is your own prejudice.
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You are always quick to play the prejudice card, TPD. Tiring. If you trust kids 10-11-12 years old who openly announce their sexuality -- the ages most commonly at camp, that's on you. I don't. That doesn't make me prejudiced. It doesn't make me ignorant. It makes me cautious.
 
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zstep18 said:
I feel more bad about the openly gay kid who is probably going to be bullied and made fun of.
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There. We have our common ground. I completely agree.
 
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MaggieD said:
As I've said six times in this thread, the key words in the poll are "openly gay." First of all, it's odd that young kids at camp would be openly gay. Secondly, if my son is put into a position where he is manipulated to have boy-on-boy sex, you tell me: How is that different from child sexual abuse? The age of the perp?? And we, as a society, believe there is hardly a more heinous crime insofar as after-effects are concerned.
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There is that thought again where you believe that just because someone is gay that they would manipulate someone into sex, that is very wrong to assume that.
 
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Your Star said:
There is that thought again where you believe that just because someone is gay that they would manipulate someone into sex, that is very wrong to assume that.
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Your Star, please don't misunderstand me. Kids manipulate kids all the time. It's called peer pressure. Some are more successful at it than others. And some are more susceptible than others. It's KIDS I'm talking about. Not adults.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Maybe your kids not mine............Had 4 and never had to worry about them except maybe my sons getting hurt playing high school football
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The is a large, unsubtle difference between not worrying, which is what you did, and not having to worry. School trips are much more likely to have sexual experimentation than a boy scout trip.
 
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MaggieD said:
You are always quick to play the prejudice card, TPD. Tiring. If you trust kids 10-11-12 years old who openly announce their sexuality -- the ages most commonly at camp, that's on you. I don't. That doesn't make me prejudiced. It doesn't make me ignorant. It makes me cautious.
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I'm not "playing a prejudice card". Your posts assume negative things about gay children/teens based on their sexuality. That is prejudice. Moreover, those same posts are based in a misunderstanding of homosexuality and child/teen experimentation. That is ignorance.

And you know what? I cannot take it anymore. I cannot take coming into threads like this and seeing people being so prejudicial against gay people (kids, no less) and then claiming that they are the ones who are being unfairly criticized - as if it's problematic for people like me to point out prejudice and ignorance. It's not wrong. It's the right thing to do and I will continue to do it until the day I ****ing die no matter how many "cards" people accuse me playing to defend themselves without actually having any research or logic to back up their archaic positions. Ignorance and prejudice are the problem. Period.
 
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zstep18 said:
So, you're kids are perfectly fine resisting peer pressure from drugs, alcohol, social groups, etc, but just not gay people?
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No one knows what there kids are doing 24 hours a day but I can tell you I never had a problem with my 4 children.......I was gone a lot in the Navy and my wife was Asian and she used Asian methods in raising them........I have been married 47 years and have been truly blessed........ I have 4 college grads 1PHD and 3 Master degrees. My children have been a blessing..
 
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MaggieD said:
Your Star, please don't misunderstand me. Kids manipulate kids all the time. It's called peer pressure. Some are more successful at it than others. And some are more susceptible than others. It's KIDS I'm talking about. Not adults.
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But you are still assuming that someone who is gay will try and manipulate another kid into sex, and that is just wrong.
 
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MaggieD said:
As I've said six times in this thread, the key words in the poll are "openly gay." First of all, it's odd that young kids at camp would be openly gay. Secondly, if my son is put into a position where he is manipulated to have boy-on-boy sex, you tell me: How is that different from child sexual abuse? The age of the perp?? And we, as a society, believe there is hardly a more heinous crime insofar as after-effects are concerned.
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sorry mags i just didnt know you were a homophbia. SO im trying to understand what the base of your homophobia is.
Theres nothing Odd about kids being openly gay.

what is the difference between gay and openly gay as far as it creating a panic about your child's well being?

You honestly think your childs potential to be "manipulated" is dramatically increased by the presence of gays?

again i ask What are these "unpleasant" experiences that you speak of and how are they dramatically increased by the presence of "gays" as supposed to their non-presence (or better yet OPEN presence)
 
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MaggieD said:
Your Star, please don't misunderstand me. Kids manipulate kids all the time. It's called peer pressure. Some are more successful at it than others. And some are more susceptible than others. It's KIDS I'm talking about. Not adults.
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Why are drugs and bullying less serious than homosexuality?
 
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zstep18 said:
Why are drugs and bullying less serious peer pressure topics to than homosexuality?
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or maybe her son could be talked into "manipulating" a girl into sex, whats the difference between that and rape "age" <end sarcasm>
 
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Objective-J said:
sorry mags i just didnt know you were a homophbia. SO im trying to understand what the base of your homophobia is.
Theres nothing Odd about kids being openly gay.

what is the difference between gay and openly gay as far as it creating a panic about your child's well being?

You honestly think your childs potential to be "manipulated" is dramatically increased by the presence of gays?

again i ask What are these "unpleasant" experiences that you speak of and how are they dramatically increased by the presence of "gays" as supposed to their non-presence (or better yet OPEN presence)
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Here we go again...Because someone disagrees with you on this issue they must be a homophobe...........And you call us the intolerate one........What a joke!!!!
 
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Navy Pride said:
Here we go again...Because someone disagrees with you on this issue they must be a homophobe...........And you call us the intolerate one........What a joke!!!!
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100% wrong, disagreeing with me is NOT the issues

her illogical perception that somehow gays are more dangerous than straights and that they make her uncomfortable and open gays are odd is what makes her views homophobic.
yes mags views are homophobic, thats a fact based on her posting, feelings, thoughts and opinions

not sure why accuracy bothers you :shrug:

what do you call a person who thinks a person is more dangerous or more likely to commit sexual assault simply because they are gay?
 
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Objective-J said:
so is your plan to keep him locked in his room forever?
if you are parenting properly he should be influenced by mere presence.
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There is a difference between encountering people and being supervised. Are you upset that I chose who my son associates with and who his potential influences are?
 
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0bserver92 said:
I'm serious, no one can learn to be gay. So why should it matter?
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It isn't about being gay. It is about being sinful without remorse. You don't find to many people that are openly gay and remorseful about it, or even acknowledge it is a sin.
 
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winston53660 said:
Wow that is like Taliban quality. And ****ing scary.
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Am I not supposed to raise my own son? Am I not allowed to chose my son's influences in life?
 
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ksu_aviator said:
1.)There is a difference between encountering people and being supervised. Are you upset that I chose who my son associates with and who his potential influences are?
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1.)is camp more unsupervised than being in the world? a friends house? sports practice? library? mall? school? etc etc
2.) nope im trying to see where your logic comes from and how these influences that are everywhere are more dominate than your parenting.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
It isn't about being gay. It is about being sinful without remorse. You don't find to many people that are openly gay and remorseful about it, or even acknowledge it is a sin.
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It's not a sin. It's hard to be remorseful about something that's not bad.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
It isn't about being gay. It is about being sinful without remorse. You don't find to many people that are openly gay and remorseful about it, or even acknowledge it is a sin.
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That's 'cause they ain't got **** to be remorseful about.

Being remorseful about who you are is psychologically damaging and just downright painful for any human being. And nobody "acknowledges" that homosexuality is a sin. Some people believe that it is a sin. That is very important difference.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I guess you have forgotten about the daisy chain of gays up to 100 people in the eighties prior to AIDS........
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What in the hell does that have to do with my kid's orientation?

Your response is bizarre and not even in the realm of a rational thought. unless you are suggesting that a gay man has the power to get all men into an orgy against their will. I guess gay guys are like gods to you. Go forth and do my bidding.
 
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ksu_aviator said:
It isn't about being gay. It is about being sinful without remorse. You don't find to many people that are openly gay and remorseful about it, or even acknowledge it is a sin.
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the word homosexual or in the equivalent shows up once in original biblical text. so it's not a sin. try again buddy
 
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Objective-J said:
1.)is camp more unsupervised than being in the world? a friends house? sports practice? library? mall? school? etc etc
2.) nope im trying to see where your logic comes from and how these influences that are everywhere are more dominate than your parenting.
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1.) Yes. Because I vet his friends, where he goes, what sports he plays, etc
2.) Children can be easily influenced. You don't assume they can understand right from wrong until they are much older. Even then, they will have a lot to learn. A good parent doesn't lead their children to temptation until they are capable of making their own decisions.
 
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zstep18 said:
It's not a sin. It's hard to be remorseful about something that's not bad.
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ThePlayDrive said:
That's 'cause they ain't got **** to be remorseful about.

Being remorseful about who you are is psychologically damaging and just downright painful for any human being. And nobody "acknowledges" that homosexuality is a sin. Some people believe that it is a sin. That is very important difference.
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And there in lies my point. If the leader of the camp doesn't have the same values as me, I'm not going to subject my children to his/her influence.
 
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